Berkeley city council wants to prohibit police from making traffic stops.

[manbearpig]

I l just explained how and fairly simply at that. Saying I can’t doesn’t make it so.

prevent it from the first point of contact and it doesn’t happen at all. But you need to have an educated officer for that to be possible. But apparently that’s too high of a bar.

 

[mundus]

A big problem from top to bottom with our justice system is the refusal to ever admit a mistake, cops would rather lock up someone wrongly than admit being wrong.

 

[GDaddy]

You didn't explain anything other than cops make other-than-legal-mistakes that nobody else catches later on down the line.

 

[GDaddy]

A big problem from top to bottom with our justice system is the refusal to ever admit a mistake, cops would rather lock up someone wrongly than admit being wrong.

Firstly, that's what the courts are for. To weigh the facts being alleged against the defense. Or (more commonly) to sign off on the plea bargain to the lesser offense that the defendant agreed to - which means many of the convicts are actually guilty of much more serious crimes but took the easy out.

Secondly, the cops (and the DAs and the judges and the juries) usually aren't wrong. Way more guilty people get away with their crimes than get wrongfully convicted. Which is exactly the way it should be.

Cops don't convict anyone.

 

[manbearpig]

You didn't explain anything other than cops make other-than-legal-mistakes that nobody else catches later on down the line.

I explained that if the cops understood the law more thoroughly from the onset many, if not most, wrongful convictions wouldn’t even happen.

 

[GDaddy]

What does "understanding the law" have to do with a cop misquoting a witness or making some other investigative error? They're two separate areas of competency.

Let's say it was a lawyer doing the investigation and screwing it exactly the same way the cop did. Did the lawyer's failure occur as a result of them "not understanding the law" or did it occur because they screwed up their investigation?

Moreover and while we're at it, how many wrongful convictions do you think are the result of a witness making a mistake or telling a lie? The cops operated competently and in good faith but the witness lied on the stand about whether the gang bang her dad caught her at was consensual?

 

[manbearpig]

You’re right, cops don’t need to understand the law.

clown world.

 

[GDaddy]

You’re right, cops don’t need to understand the law.

clown world.

Again, not what I said. Not what I meant.

This is no way to have a discussion.

How about this: If we're going to increase police training by x%, how about we allocate the additional hours first where it will do the most good and be of the most effect? And then if after the more significant deficiencies are handled there are any hours left over for filler content THEN we throw those at #8 on the list (law school for cops)

 

[manbearpig]

I would say knowing the law thoroughly would be one of the most important aspects and should be a pre requisite to even become a cop.

 

[GDaddy]

So your response to prioritizing the limited available public resources on the training is a solid "no", then.

LA Sheriff Dept is reportedly down by 1000 deputies, but you're going to add to their recruiting problems by requiring a legal education which will further reduce their applicant pool.

Even though "criminal law" isn't among the top-5 complaints people have about police conduct and performance.

That's a strong move, amigo. 26 counties in California have a population of less than 200,000. As in, not enough tax base to support the kind of training or salaries that would compete with other employers with comparable qualifications requirements.

 

[manbearpig]

“Again, not what I said. Not what I meant.

This is no way to have a discussion”

 

[GDaddy]

What would you consider to be the top-5 complaints that people (as in, not you) have about police conduct and performance?

 

[Kento]

What would you consider to be the top-5 complaints that people (as in, not you) have about police conduct and performance?

1. They bought the last goddamn Apple Fritter!
2. They pulled me over instead of that guy.
3. They harassed my kids and made them cry for (insert harmless activity)
4. They shot that guy in the back. Not right.
5. They smashed my phone for filming 1 through 4.


BONUS: My dog is pregnant.

 

[GDaddy]

Not a bad list.

 

[Kento]

Not a bad list.

Thanks. I looked at it as a Family Feud style Top 5 answers across the board.

 

[plasticbertrand]

Not for police brutality but for getting the criminals before they commit the crime....I don't care what color or race.....get the bad guys

By harassing the law abiding citizen for small stuff?

What are you even blabbering about?

Who here isn't for catching criminals?

@r32 please bring back the emo

Thancc

 

[ElOgro]

By harassing the law abiding citizen for small stuff?

What are you even blabbering about?

Who here isn't for catching criminals?

@r32 please bring back the emo

Thancc

You should put together a list of the “small stuff” that leo don’t need to bother with. That would be a good starting point.

 

[laidback]

By harassing the law abiding citizen for small stuff?

What are you even blabbering about?

Who here isn't for catching criminals?

@r32 please bring back the emo

Thancc

And the lolguy emoj

 

[Kento]

And the lolguy emoj

Along with drinkie and smokie emojis.

 

[plasticbertrand]

No way he's the nicest person you'll ever meet, he said so himself!

I'm not nice to people who are not nice.

You're not nice.

Bye.