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White, male, and work in the industry in Hollywood? Not anymore.
- Thread starter Chocki
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I dont know. Alot of "Hollywood" jobs, especially below the line jobs, are skill driven. You either have the experience and chops or you don't. Their not going to entrust you with millions of dollars on the line because of the color of your skin. Thats why young people have difficulty breaking in..experience over everything else. At least in the circles Ive worked in which is an already very diverse landscape an at 40 years old - Im one of the younger guys.
I can however see them making more executive level POC, which again if their qualified, let them in.
Detroit made cars that most people didn't want, and the only thing that saved them was the taxpayers intervention. Other people's money.
The entertainment business can tell its customers what they should buy but the customers don't always obey.
The entertainment business can tell its customers what they should buy but the customers don't always obey.
Valentina Sampaio becomes Sports Illustrated's first trans model
In 2017, she was the first trans woman to appear on the cover of Vogue Paris. Now in 2020, Valentina Sampaio continues to break barriers in the modeling industry by becoming the first trans woman to be featured by Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue.
www.cnn.com
This is a real headscratcher.
The right is against this?
I thought thed right was all about personal freedom to make your own decisions, and live or die by them.
It isn't that they are excluding a race, but instead made a decision to listen to more cultures, to get more input.
I guess I'm the only real conservative here.
The right is against this?
I thought thed right was all about personal freedom to make your own decisions, and live or die by them.
It isn't that they are excluding a race, but instead made a decision to listen to more cultures, to get more input.
I guess I'm the only real conservative here.
No, I’m don’t know what it means
I have corporate training on it next week
I thought it meant bias that’s there, but not outright racist
Like subconscious
Just trying to use the parlance of our times
A bias is simply a pattern of automatic thinking that brings you to the wrong conclusion.
A heuristic is a pattern of automatic thinking that brings you to the right conclusion.
Automatic thinking is efficient but fallible.
The way you manage automatic thinking is you test with effortful thinking.
Thin slice and test.
It's amazingly effective.
Implicit bias is the politicalization of automatic thinking to support the cause of helping blacks, which I support.
I just think their conclusions about automatic thinking are wrong.
You could teach all this stuff and not bring race into the picture.
Faulty thinking isn't about race.
isn't there a free market component to this too?
go where the money is.
the pendulum could swing the other direction eventually.
who knows. producers just want to get that money.
Movie idea:
There is jew ghost writer who gets black listed in response to the SJW movement.
Then he has to get black female to say she wrote his scripts.
Much hilarity ensures.
There is jew ghost writer who gets black listed in response to the SJW movement.
Then he has to get black female to say she wrote his scripts.
Much hilarity ensures.
I don’t know, man
Google search says implicit bias is subconscious bias
I asked if someone believed it existed.
And if so, any thoughts on how to change it
I quest I was making an assumption that if the answer was, yes, I believe it exists, then it would follow that stopping it would be a goal
But I shouldn’t make that assumption
Maybe status quo of subconscious bias is what some people want
I have not read this thread or the entire article from the OP, but as a white male working in Hollywood since around 1998 I'll bite.
Hollywood has long had a diversity problem. Like much of the professional world, but hollywoods is a bit worse behind the scenes primarily due to nepotism. This has long been an industry where jobs and opportunities were given to family and friends. I'm not ashamed to admit I got my foot in the door because I knew somebody. Thats how it worked, and largely thats how it still works. Though I don't know if it's some sinister scheme to keep minorities out so much as industry-wide apathy.
Recently in post-production things got a little heated on social media after someone made an inquiry in a "professional" Facebook group for "black editors". Things got really heated with a lot of knee jerk responses and I mostly sat on the sidelines and watched disheartened as the debate got very close to home.
You can read about it here if you'd like...
www.latimes.com
One of the things that came out in the discussion was that in Hollywood only 1.5% of Editor positions are filled by black people. it was shocking to see the actual number. It got me thinking and in my 20+ years working in this industry I've never worked for or alongside a black editor or assistant editor. Does that make me an apathetic participant? I felt like my work bubble pretty fairly represented women as some of my biggest mentors as well as many of the bosses who gave me promotions and opportunity were women. But I really had only met one other black editor in my 20yrs and it just never crossed my mind until that Facebook debate blew up. As an editor I'm not in a position to hire other editors but I do hire my assistant editors and that's typically the path to becoming an editor. I hate to be the one who says "I don't see color or race" but the reality is looking back at the last 4 AE's I hired all checked the diversity boxes... Mexican, Indian, Mexican Woman and Woman. But I didn't hire them to check boxes for diversity. I hired them because they happened to be the best people for the job. But I also came to the conclusion that in my years of interviewing and hiring Assistant Editors I've never even interviewed a black assistant editor applicant. Typically when I'm looking to hire a new AE I'll ask around for referrals from friends and former coworkers and I'll get a stack of resumes to sift through. These resumes don't come with head shots, all I see are names and credits. Aside for a few obvious ones like my old AE Rahul who was clearly Indian based upon his name I have no fucking clue if the applicants are white, black or anything else. I call and set up interviews based upon credits and qualifications. And by chance or for some other reason well beyond me not a single applicant I've called to interview has been black. I can't say why. Maybe some of the resumes I didn't call for interviews were black individuals but I can say with certainty thats not why I passed over their resume for the next one.
The thing that got me most about the heated debate in this Facebook Group that I posted about earlier in this post was the vitriol from many of my white peers. They were saying things on Facebook with their names attached that were at times shocking considering that this was supposed to be a professional group where people were turning to for jobs. Things that some posters here would use troll accounts to say. Most of them seemed to be white male long time assistant editors who were still trying to move up to editor and felt slighted. The general vibe of all of their posts was something along the lines of "I worked hard to get here, am I supposed to just step aside and give my job to some unqualified black?" Thankfully I didn't personally know any of the individuals saying sh!t like this and while I don't agree with how they were saying saying it, as a a white male editor in this business who's looking to move up I can at least kind of see their point.
Recently Hollywood has made a big move to address diversity and while I largely support it, I see some of the arguments against how it's being done. While studios are rushing to sign overall development deals with minority and women producers which is great, most of the change is being directed towards their writing and directing programs. Every major studio has a writing and directing program that they use to cultivate writers and directors for their shows. They are very exclusive and every year thousands of people apply to get into these programs and maybe a 10 or 12 are accepted. They aren't the only way to crack the shell and get a writing or directing job in episodic television but if you get into the program and finish it your odds pretty darn high that you'll get work. In an attempt to rectify diversity issues, race and gender has become part of the application process. This makes it extremely difficult for someone like me, a white male editor who is looking to eventually make the leap to directing episodic television to crack these programs or bypass them and get an episode to direct. I understand this, because the diversity which should have always been there wasn't is finally being addressed now all at onc. They're trying to stock the farm with people who check the boxes which will inevitably be seen as "unfair" by many who don't check the boxes. But it's hard for me to complain about new hardships for me that others have been facing for generations.
Hollywood has long had a diversity problem. Like much of the professional world, but hollywoods is a bit worse behind the scenes primarily due to nepotism. This has long been an industry where jobs and opportunities were given to family and friends. I'm not ashamed to admit I got my foot in the door because I knew somebody. Thats how it worked, and largely thats how it still works. Though I don't know if it's some sinister scheme to keep minorities out so much as industry-wide apathy.
Recently in post-production things got a little heated on social media after someone made an inquiry in a "professional" Facebook group for "black editors". Things got really heated with a lot of knee jerk responses and I mostly sat on the sidelines and watched disheartened as the debate got very close to home.
You can read about it here if you'd like...
How a search for Black film editors caused a firestorm on Facebook
A post on Facebook looking for recommendations for Black film editors was met with protests by some white film editors claiming discrimination.
www.latimes.com
One of the things that came out in the discussion was that in Hollywood only 1.5% of Editor positions are filled by black people. it was shocking to see the actual number. It got me thinking and in my 20+ years working in this industry I've never worked for or alongside a black editor or assistant editor. Does that make me an apathetic participant? I felt like my work bubble pretty fairly represented women as some of my biggest mentors as well as many of the bosses who gave me promotions and opportunity were women. But I really had only met one other black editor in my 20yrs and it just never crossed my mind until that Facebook debate blew up. As an editor I'm not in a position to hire other editors but I do hire my assistant editors and that's typically the path to becoming an editor. I hate to be the one who says "I don't see color or race" but the reality is looking back at the last 4 AE's I hired all checked the diversity boxes... Mexican, Indian, Mexican Woman and Woman. But I didn't hire them to check boxes for diversity. I hired them because they happened to be the best people for the job. But I also came to the conclusion that in my years of interviewing and hiring Assistant Editors I've never even interviewed a black assistant editor applicant. Typically when I'm looking to hire a new AE I'll ask around for referrals from friends and former coworkers and I'll get a stack of resumes to sift through. These resumes don't come with head shots, all I see are names and credits. Aside for a few obvious ones like my old AE Rahul who was clearly Indian based upon his name I have no fucking clue if the applicants are white, black or anything else. I call and set up interviews based upon credits and qualifications. And by chance or for some other reason well beyond me not a single applicant I've called to interview has been black. I can't say why. Maybe some of the resumes I didn't call for interviews were black individuals but I can say with certainty thats not why I passed over their resume for the next one.
The thing that got me most about the heated debate in this Facebook Group that I posted about earlier in this post was the vitriol from many of my white peers. They were saying things on Facebook with their names attached that were at times shocking considering that this was supposed to be a professional group where people were turning to for jobs. Things that some posters here would use troll accounts to say. Most of them seemed to be white male long time assistant editors who were still trying to move up to editor and felt slighted. The general vibe of all of their posts was something along the lines of "I worked hard to get here, am I supposed to just step aside and give my job to some unqualified black?" Thankfully I didn't personally know any of the individuals saying sh!t like this and while I don't agree with how they were saying saying it, as a a white male editor in this business who's looking to move up I can at least kind of see their point.
Recently Hollywood has made a big move to address diversity and while I largely support it, I see some of the arguments against how it's being done. While studios are rushing to sign overall development deals with minority and women producers which is great, most of the change is being directed towards their writing and directing programs. Every major studio has a writing and directing program that they use to cultivate writers and directors for their shows. They are very exclusive and every year thousands of people apply to get into these programs and maybe a 10 or 12 are accepted. They aren't the only way to crack the shell and get a writing or directing job in episodic television but if you get into the program and finish it your odds pretty darn high that you'll get work. In an attempt to rectify diversity issues, race and gender has become part of the application process. This makes it extremely difficult for someone like me, a white male editor who is looking to eventually make the leap to directing episodic television to crack these programs or bypass them and get an episode to direct. I understand this, because the diversity which should have always been there wasn't is finally being addressed now all at onc. They're trying to stock the farm with people who check the boxes which will inevitably be seen as "unfair" by many who don't check the boxes. But it's hard for me to complain about new hardships for me that others have been facing for generations.
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This.You read the Daily Mail.
Idiocy
Check your sources.
Then check them again.
Daily Fail is a UK right-wing sensationalist tabloid that's marginally better than the Enquirer.
Baiting with mischaracterization is the product they are selling and you bought it.
Yes, it would make sense to stop it.
But it's not a thing.
In the name of helping the blacks, which I am for, the black advocates are resorting to gaslighting, by saying the white person is a racist without even realizing it.
This move is bad for the cause.
I'm not a racist who doesn't realize it; I'm a fallible fair minded human who makes mistakes and when I make mistake I try to address it.
But even this sentiment will get me labeled as a racist.
Exactly.
Just like straight people's opinion on whether the gays should get married should have been irrelevant.
Yet they somehow got to vote on it like it's any of their business.
Also, "Freedom Forum", for real?
