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Does the Bern stand a chance?
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I was reading about that. That we’d actually be “saving”
idk. Had an accident two days ago. Getting mri today. I’d hate to be waiting months to be seen
I’ll also say that insurance is a joke right now. The hsa plans are dogshit. You have to pay your deductible before they pay anything. Thanks Obama
idk. Had an accident two days ago. Getting mri today. I’d hate to be waiting months to be seen
I’ll also say that insurance is a joke right now. The hsa plans are dogshit. You have to pay your deductible before they pay anything. Thanks Obama
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You don’t know what I make you presumptuous moran. Even if I counted my out of pocket medical expenses as taxes I would still get taxed less than a western Euro country. Dumfuk.
EU Defense spending is $300B/year.
That's 3x the Russian Federation's military budget. On a $19T economy vs Russia's $1.6T. 3x the defense budget 10x the industrial might.
Maybe the Frogs wouldn't feel like fighting to liberate Latvia if Putin annexes it. That's entirely possible. If there was an actual hot war between the EU and Russia, Russia would get so skullfckd it's not even funny.
High deductible plans existed before Obamacare. The entire point is the deductible is above what break-even is for the insurance company.
I think what you are looking for is "Medicare" if you don't like paying for more than you get.
Bernie's dogshit but try to have a vague idea.
That's 3x the Russian Federation's military budget. On a $19T economy vs Russia's $1.6T. 3x the defense budget 10x the industrial might.
Maybe the Frogs wouldn't feel like fighting to liberate Latvia if Putin annexes it. That's entirely possible. If there was an actual hot war between the EU and Russia, Russia would get so skullfckd it's not even funny.
High deductible plans existed before Obamacare. The entire point is the deductible is above what break-even is for the insurance company.
I think what you are looking for is "Medicare" if you don't like paying for more than you get.
Bernie's dogshit but try to have a vague idea.
Medicare and Medicaid cost over a trillion a year, and only service the old and the super poor. How much would taxes have to go up to cover everyone?
Would I still be able to see a specialist or get an x ray in a timely manner, or would I need a supplemental plan (ie additional out of pocket) to get the same level care I currently have?
I just said Bernie's dogshit so not sure why I've been assigned to establish defensive position on the Medicare for All hill? Anyhoo....
If Medicare is any guide, a shitload, especially without seriously cutting defense spending.
I don't know about specialists or x-rays specifically but everyone who isn't eating cat food tacos has supplemental insurance for Medicare already.
The point of the part you quoted is rts265 criticized the fundamental insurance business model. It's not like Obamacare suddenly means insurance companies try to collect more in premiums than they send out in disbursements. HSA high deductible plans preceded Obamacare as did high health care inflation.
Look I want what you want. I want the free market economy to put rural Trump voters in jail for their unpaid medical bills, or whatever ProPublica is crying about.
'I was scared to death': Patients jailed over unpaid medical debt in rural Kansas
At a time when healthcare policy dominates national debate, a county in Kansas is jailing individuals with medical debt.Judge David Casement is a magistrate judge in Coffeyville, Kansas, where the poverty rate is twice the national average. He presides over cases in which individuals with...
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When Medical Debt Collectors Decide Who Gets Arrested
Welcome to Coffeyville, Kansas, where the judge has no law degree, debt collectors get a cut of the bail, and Americans are watching their lives — and liberty — disappear in the pursuit of medical debt collection.
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Problems we need to deal with before passing any kind of universal healthcare plan:
-insurance companies having carte blanch to charge whatever they want
-for profit medicine and insurance
-tort reform
-insurance companies having carte blanch to charge whatever they want
-for profit medicine and insurance
-tort reform
I'll say this for Medicare for all. Currently, Medicare doesn't cover half the people. But half of all health care spending is on the last six months of life.
Median life expectancy is around 80 in the US. So well more than half the population has long since qualified for Medicare when they enter end of life.
I don't think Bernie is going to even entertain the debate beyond premiums will disappear and taxes will go up.
But I think it's pretty obvious we could throw a bone to the working poor and maybe have some kind of public option for preventative care. Poor person making median income $36k gets two free six month checkups or some sh!t so they don't walk up to the ER with something that costs a fortune.
Something like 46 states already have tort reform laws on the books. If it wasn't a bullshit talking point we'd see something night and day different among the states.
Like how much better off Massachusetts was thanks to RomneyCare.
From where we're currently at in 2020, i think the conversion to Medicare for all or other simile will result in us experiencing 90% of the comparatively worse aspects of what we already have + 90% of the comparatively worse aspects of single payer.
I’d be all for some of berns policies 1. If they actually worked 2. If they aren’t going to crush the middle class
trumps tax “reforms” only hurt me. If taxes go up higher I feel people are going to start losing their homes. For what? For the poor and illegals to get free stuff?
trumps tax “reforms” only hurt me. If taxes go up higher I feel people are going to start losing their homes. For what? For the poor and illegals to get free stuff?
Agreed. To be clear, I’m all for death panels. Move them into a private hospice and pay for those last months out of pocket if you want to stay alive so bad. I’d rather someone put some fentanyl in my coffee at that point.
Which is why I LOL at the whole “gut the military to pay for health care!” trope. We already have a socialized system that is roughly double the cost of our military and only serves a fraction of the populace. Even if we diverted all defense spending to “medicare for all”, how many more people would we actually be covering? Let alone to the level of care that those of us with good policies have grown accustomed to?
Aside from military spending, I’m not sure which budgets we could divert towards health care that aren’t already for other programs of social/societal benefit (roads, environment, education, etc).
Free healthcare and college first, free cars next!!!
I think the question worth asking here is what level of care do we consider to be the human right. The cost-is-no-object level of care or perhaps something less than that?
Medicare and Medicaid barely clears $1T.
The DoD budget is $700B but they hide a ton of sh!t elsewhere.
I always go back to the Department of Energy. Half the budget is military spending. Developing nuclear Submarine engines and securing the nuclear weapon stockpile have jack sh!t to do with Energy.
The OCO (Overseas Contingency Operations) is generally another $80B thrown on the barbie.
The VA and Homeland Security?
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To your question about "those of us with good policies".
The median income is $36k, $40k, something like that. 50% of people with jobs make less than that.
75% of people working 30+ hours per week make less than $70k
In BernieWorld, we aren't the target market. We're at the bottom end of the target.
Yeah that's why I liked the let him die debate in 2012. Either come out the front and say the ER can reject people or admit you're (royal you not singular you GDaddy) more socialist than you feel like owning and have an honest debate about what should be free.
It makes sense that we're a country of shortsighted idiots going into debt they can't afford on a depreciating asset.
Also I'd like to add.
I am not per se in favor of bailing out people who bought those cars.
But if we're not going to publicly execute the entire families of people who use that debt as the basis for leveraged gambling, I'm happy with tax money going to bail out some inbred hick with a 1 inch dick who picked an F-150 when a crossdressover is more than they actually need.
I am not per se in favor of bailing out people who bought those cars.
But if we're not going to publicly execute the entire families of people who use that debt as the basis for leveraged gambling, I'm happy with tax money going to bail out some inbred hick with a 1 inch dick who picked an F-150 when a crossdressover is more than they actually need.