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Yeah I always keep mine out of the sun and in a bag, but in Hawaii our cars heat up pretty warm and I've had a FCD delam. With my other FCD I actually take the board out with me if I go somewhere to eat and put it in the shade or I go home and drop it off.
I never said “I know FCD has never had any QC issues”, but I DO know they run a tighter ship than most shops
Well you just said that they come out way better than XTR's and are way above the quality of XTR. You cant even keep one in the car on a hot day without delam issues...
I’ve seen plenty of FCDs and XTRs and have visited both factories numerous times. I’d say they’re run differently, to say the least. All the FCDs I’VE seen and had have been flawless.
And I wouldn’t leave ANY board in a car on a hot day, regardless of construction type
XTR’s xps is exclusive to them. Sourced specifically for its use. Most of these QC problems aren’t foam related.
Now that your claims regarding epoxy production have been shown inaccurate you're moving goalposts to XPS (?)
Give it up already.
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Really?
I could swear I saw large blocks of XPS with Dow or Dupont labeling there that were waiting to be cut.
I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying what I remember, which may not be accurate.
Those 2 strips of carbon really is more for looks than acting like a stringer. It may add some small level of strength to the board but it’s not the actual thick weaved carbon fiber Justin uses to wrap the entire board
This was my first and last XTR. Custom ordered it from Dan and Javier back in 2010. When it was “finished” it had exposed foam(no glass or resin) on one of the tips in the tail when I picked it up. Just like in ChaseTMP’s case, after a decade it looks like QC there could still improveView attachment 101291View attachment 101292View attachment 101293
This was my first and last XTR. Custom ordered it from Dan and Javier back in 2010. When it was “finished” it had exposed foam(no glass or resin) on one of the tips in the tail when I picked it up. Just like in ChaseTMP’s case, after a decade it looks like QC there could still improveView attachment 101291View attachment 101292View attachment 101293
How is E-Tech's quality? I've never got a board through them. I actually met with the owner Ryan Harris and Sustainable Surf's Kevin Whilden back in 2013 when I had the harebrained idea to start a clothing/surfboard brand and wanted the most eco-friendly boards possible. Reality quickly set in the kind of numbers I'd have to do to make it a viable business and with a wife, kid and mortgage, I abandoned the idea about as quickly as I conceived it. Ryan did seem really knowledgeable about materials and board-building in general. Michael Ciaramella was riding one of Ryan's shapes for a few segments (in Re-flex tech) in the latest Stab wetsuit test that went up yesterday.
Were your Pyzels shaped down in Oceanside and you brought the shaped blanks up to Torrance, or is Ryan finishing them off files at E-Tech?
I can attest that XTR's Flex Value may be a gimmick as two boards that were supposed to be exactly the same had two different values, 4 vs. 6.
I wasn't familiar with E-tech until now, they do look really cool. Thanks for the pointer. The website is a little confusing. I like the look of the "re-flex" on their website, similar to what Arakawa is doing with their XO construction + others who have done some similar things. I wonder what the pricing is like. Other than some brand names listed on the front page there isn't much info about ordering a CI/etc from them.
I see now that Pyzel has removed the XTR option from the custom order form on their site for newer models (ghost, shadow, etc). It's still there for the older models, perhaps they just haven't bothered to update those. They are still available on the epoxysurfboards.com site though. I swear just a few days ago you could select XTR as an option on the Ghost order form, I wonder if something is happening behind the scenes.
FWIW, I don't think the XTR flex is a gimmick but I do think the value number is a bit arbitrary. My shadow (with more carbon and heavier glassing) is noticeably stiffer than my gremlin.
I see now that Pyzel has removed the XTR option from the custom order form on their site for newer models (ghost, shadow, etc). It's still there for the older models, perhaps they just haven't bothered to update those. They are still available on the epoxysurfboards.com site though. I swear just a few days ago you could select XTR as an option on the Ghost order form, I wonder if something is happening behind the scenes.
FWIW, I don't think the XTR flex is a gimmick but I do think the value number is a bit arbitrary. My shadow (with more carbon and heavier glassing) is noticeably stiffer than my gremlin.
I should have wrote that their Flex Value is more of an arbitrary number than a gimmick.
How do you like Dark Arts? They are just a few miles from me and was thinking about checking it out and trying a demo board. I've read a few things about them possibly being too light and too stiff, and the Pyzel website recommends that construction for smaller, weaker waves. My next board is going to be more for larger San Diego beach break waves.
you should go demo. It's a unique feel, and some will like it, some won't. I thought it felt great for small waves- but I prefer a lighter grovel board. If you're talking head-high Scripps, I think I'd be fine, but beyond that I think you'd want to compensate for the lightness. But I've only demoed a board, so you should listen to whatever @waxurDyl says about them