The Coming Shutdown

GDaddy

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He probably figures he's got nothing to lose. Public opinion favors DACA-with-strings and more border enforcement.

According to the most recent Harvard-Harris poll (01/2018)



81% favor either maintaining (18%) or reducing (63%) current levels of legal immigration
61% oppose the random diversity lottery

79% think we need more secure borders
61% think the existing border security is inadequate
54% support building physical and electronic barriers across the border

78% support giving Dreamers work permits
79% support giving them a path to citizenship,

But,

60% oppose giving preference to the relatives of Dreamers
79% favor vetting immgrants for their ability to contribute, not whether they already have family in the US
58% oppose the Democrats voting to shut down government over the restoring DACA work permits

If Trump actually is amenable at all to a compromise of any sort the most likely compromise would put him right in the middle of these opinion trends.

Harvard-Harris Poll 01/2018
 

Billy Ocean

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Oh what happen to making sure the troops get paid!?!? As usual talking from both sides of his mouth. Must be an East Coast thing.
I’m kind of fascinated by how much people in California think of things as being “East Coast”

 

Billy Ocean

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Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
 

StuAzole

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GDaddy said:
He probably figures he's got nothing to lose. Public opinion favors DACA-with-strings and more border enforcement.

According to the most recent Harvard-Harris poll (01/2018)

81% favor either maintaining (18%) or reducing (63%) current levels of legal immigration
61% oppose the random diversity lottery

79% think we need more secure borders
61% think the existing border security is inadequate
54% support building physical and electronic barriers across the border

78% support giving Dreamers work permits
79% support giving them a path to citizenship,

But,

60% oppose giving preference to the relatives of Dreamers
79% favor vetting immgrants for their ability to contribute, not whether they already have family in the US
58% oppose the Democrats voting to shut down government over the restoring DACA work permits

If Trump actually is amenable at all to a compromise of any sort the most likely compromise would put him right in the middle of these opinion trends.
Apparently, a large percentage of Americans have no idea what today's immigration system is or how it works.

 

StuAzole

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BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Dems don't have the power to shut anything down. It's cheeto's government.

All he has to do is work with the bi-partisan group trying to come up with an immigration solution now, but he won't. He's putting Mueller's investigation ahead of America.
 

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I have to say that the initiative shown by those living undocumented in the U.S. puts those whining hangers-on in Rust Belt America in the shadows.

We do it to ourselves, right?
 

GromsDad

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StuAzole said:
BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Dems don't have the power to shut anything down. It's cheeto's government.

All he has to do is work with the bi-partisan group trying to come up with an immigration solution now, but he won't. He's putting Mueller's investigation ahead of America.

You’re an idiot. Can you please tell us where you get your stupid talking points? Thanks you.
 

StuAzole

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GromsDad said:
StuAzole said:
BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Dems don't have the power to shut anything down. It's cheeto's government.

All he has to do is work with the bi-partisan group trying to come up with an immigration solution now, but he won't. He's putting Mueller's investigation ahead of America.

You’re an idiot. Can you please tell us where you get your stupid talking points? Thanks you.
What's not to understand?

President (R)

House (R)

Senate (R)

If he can't negotiate a deal that gets 9 moderate (D) to keep the government open, that's solely on him.
 

Kento

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StuAzole said:
GromsDad said:
StuAzole said:
BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Dems don't have the power to shut anything down. It's cheeto's government.

All he has to do is work with the bi-partisan group trying to come up with an immigration solution now, but he won't. He's putting Mueller's investigation ahead of America.

You’re an idiot. Can you please tell us where you get your stupid talking points? Thanks you.
What's not to understand?

President (R)

House (R)

Senate (R)

If he can't negotiate a deal that gets 9 moderate (D) to keep the government open, that's solely on him.
Should be no problem for the greatest deal-maker the world has ever seen.
 

studog

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Kento said:
StuAzole said:
GromsDad said:
StuAzole said:
BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Dems don't have the power to shut anything down. It's cheeto's government.

All he has to do is work with the bi-partisan group trying to come up with an immigration solution now, but he won't. He's putting Mueller's investigation ahead of America.

You’re an idiot. Can you please tell us where you get your stupid talking points? Thanks you.
What's not to understand?

President (R)

House (R)

Senate (R)

If he can't negotiate a deal that gets 9 moderate (D) to keep the government open, that's solely on him.
Should be no problem for the greatest deal-maker the world has ever seen.
that hid in the White House during the last shutdown like the chicken sh!t that he is
 

Gnudz

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BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Republicans prioritize fear and bigotry over basic human decency.

And they're constantly threatening shutdowns if they don't get what they want.

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

Billy Ocean

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StuAzole said:
GromsDad said:
StuAzole said:
BillyOcean said:
Dems prioritize noncitizens over citizens

If they want to shut down the govt again over this it will only damage them further
Dems don't have the power to shut anything down. It's cheeto's government.

All he has to do is work with the bi-partisan group trying to come up with an immigration solution now, but he won't. He's putting Mueller's investigation ahead of America.

You’re an idiot. Can you please tell us where you get your stupid talking points? Thanks you.
What's not to understand?

President (R)

House (R)

Senate (R)

If he can't negotiate a deal that gets 9 moderate (D) to keep the government open, that's solely on him.
Uh, to normal people that looks like 9 dems putting the interests of noncitizens ahead of the people they’re supposed to work for