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IrieShark

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You want me to pay $32.00 just so I can get a piece of paper that I print out, and then I get to stick to the inside of my surfboard?

This is such a scam it's not even funny.
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Spray92109:
<strong>I like the idea, but could you PLEASE use a readable font on the main page? It's microscopic.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">spray was it it the whole main page or just parts of it,i need to know so that other people dont have a problem with it aswell, i'll get it put into a larger font. You might want to check your settings if your using MS IE under view and font size it might be set to smaller or smallest.

irieshark its not a scam and its not just a bit of paper that your paying for, that part is so that the boards have the id on them the cost is not annual ,its for the however long you have the board just the one charge. the website is the main part of this , so that people can id the boards before they buy them. you can upload pics of your board and all its details i hope to have a place where people can advertise their boards for sale so that people know that they re getting a legitimate board. the website has been designed so that people can ID a registered surfboard as quickly as possible. The printing out of the id is the quickest and easiest way of doing it and i am trying to think of a better way of getting the ID onto the boards. If your having a custom board then its perfect because you can just give the design to the shaper and he can put it on before he glasses it.
the more people that register the better the service will get.

[ February 26, 2003, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: phunkstar ]
 

*eastcoaster*

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Not trying to be negative here but I really don't see how your product will deter theft? It would appear to me that by registering your board and obtaining an ID# that your product will only become useful once a board IS stolen. Am I to assume that a would be thief will think twice about stealing a board upon seeing the ID# on the deck? Every car has an ID# and they get stolen all the time and few are ever returned to their rightful owners. How is your product different from Vehicle Identification Numbers?
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by *eastcoaster*:
<strong> How is your product different from Vehicle Identification Numbers?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">uhhh??? It's on a surfboard silly!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
 

SurFink

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I sell tracking devices that fit inside the fin box. They work on a GPS type system. But I think your little sticker will work too.
 

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eastcoaster i understand what yer sayin but car theft is very different many cars that are stolen are used as spares for other cars.
You cant really do that with a surboard.
if people are offered a board or see one in a shop that they want and its got an id on it then they can check it on the site to see if its stolen or not, if the id has been removed but they know the shaper or dimensions or if its got a design of some sort on it they can do a search on those details to see if it comes up stolen. This way the theives wont be able to sell the boards to the shops cos the shops can check and if the theives cant sell the boards on then they wont bother stealing them in the first place. I'm not expecting to wipe out the theft of surfboards overnight i know that it will take a while may be even years. I set this up after having my own boards stolen and reading letters in surf mags from others who had theirs stolen. If this can help stop it then surely its a good thing.
 

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not to deter you from an idealistic thought, and you definitely set up a well designed web site, but removing the ID plate can be easily done.

on to SurfFink's GPS system. How much does that cost?
 

hackeysaky

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I get the idea and think at the basic level it is a good idea, but there are a number of reasons it won't work.

1) The consumer has to do too much work. Print out, tape on, fiberglass it in, etc. Too much work. People (not just surfers) are lazy and want everything done in one step- this is like 5 steps too many (buy board, register online, print out, stick on board with acetate paper, glass over, sand, etc.)

2) Most people own multiple boards. By multiple I mean a lot of people own 5+; I own 6 I use on a regular basis and an equal number of other ones I pull out of the rafters once in a while. I'm not going to want to pay (although I have no idea how much it would cost because you do not offer a conversion to $US and am just to busy to research it) for each board.

3) Modern shortboards rarely last a year if ridden hard and often. People will not want to repeatedly register boards every few months and deal with the hassle of reporting them sold legitimately.

4) The tag can easily be removed, hence no reason to bother.

5) If removing the tag leaves evidence behind, it can easily be sanded off or stickered/painted over.

6) You could have constant hassles dealing with boards that were sold legitimately but never reported to your site. Some grom who purchases a secondhand stick and then tries to re-sell it could wind up hassled for trying to sell a "hot" board.

7) The only way this could work is if you make agreements with shapers to include the registrations in their board-building process, putting the tag under the glass and making a point of this feature to potential buyers as a "peace of mind" option. Or if The Law gets involved and requires this for all boards (and we don't want to be hassled by The Man, do we now?).

[ February 26, 2003, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: hackeysaky ]
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by studog:
<strong>not to deter you from an idealistic thought, and you definitely set up a well designed web site, but removing the ID plate can be easily done.

on to SurfFink's GPS system. How much does that cost?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i have been looking into that but it tends to get a bit expensive Because of the equipment involved, the chip would have to be programed with a number then sent to you safely.
 

studog

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maybe a simple alternative:

keep the site. however people post pictures of their boards with contact info.
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SurFink:
<strong>I sell tracking devices that fit inside the fin box. They work on a GPS type system. But I think your little sticker will work too.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">can you send me some info and prices .
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Seems a great idea for me.... It'll make it to that stealing the board isn't worthwhile or at least no such a quick easy buck. It takes time and effort to repair over something like that and I'm sure most thief’s just want to sell it on ASAP which is where there problem is... And if there is a sticker in that spot then I'd be suspicious.
 

*eastcoaster*

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So suppose on my next trip to the UK I decide to check out the surf scene. I have no board and it is going off. I spot someone who left a spare (a spare surfboard that is, Murph) in their car and decide to steal it (I honestly would never even consider doing this, purely hypothetical), but wait...there is a label on ther deck with an ID#. Why would I care? My intention is not to sell the board or even keep it, but instead, to ride it. On one particular wave I happen to pull in and get closed out, causing the board to snap in two.

How has your product deterred theft to begin with? What do you think the chances are that the board will be returned to its rightful owner? Lastly, do you think the customer (the rightful owner of the board) got his/her money's worth?

Now granted, I understand that my example is specific regarding my intention once I have stolen the board. However, in this example your product in no way deters the theft to begin with, and that is the point I was making.

I just don't see your product realistically being a theft deterrent. I see your product as being akin to a VIN which is not intended to deter theft but rather it is used to simply identify vehicles.

To be fair, I can also see where your service could work in helping a stolen board be returned to its rightful owner. However even then the board has to be stolen in the first place so once again, theft is not deterred.
 

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i can see what your saying and i also realise that the thief is sometimes a smack head or something who really wouldnt care.
the main idea is to stop people buying stolen boards so for the most part it would cut down on boards getting stolen, i realise that there is always going to be an element that are always going to steal no matter what.

but yes the website is the main part of this scheme to help identify stolen boards and also the shop part where people can buy registered boards so that they know its not a stolen board.
i know that its not going to wipe it out completely but i think it will definateley help ,even if people just use the website as an online database of boards.
 

*eastcoaster*

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You said, "the main idea is to stop people buying stolen boards so for the most part it would cut down on boards getting stolen,"

If that is the case, then perhaps you should market your product accordingly rather than try to pass it off as being "theft deterrent". It sounds a little misleading. It's just a suggestion and by no means am I trying to tell you how you ought to operate your business.

What I meant in my last post was that I could see where a potential thief might be discouraged from stealing a board because of your product, but who really knows WHY people steal surfboards.

I had my first board stolen right out my parents garage (while everyone was at home too). That was more than 15 years ago though. Since then I have never had a board stolen and I frequently leave them in situations where they could easily get jacked too. Perhaps I'm opening myself up to be a victim by writing this. Who knows?

Some of my friends are OBSESSED with preventing their boards from being stolen. I have directed them to your site.
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by *eastcoaster*:
<strong>You said, "the main idea is to stop people buying stolen boards so for the most part it would cut down on boards getting stolen,"

If that is the case, then perhaps you should market your product accordingly rather than try to pass it off as being "theft deterrent". It sounds a little misleading. It's just a suggestion and by no means am I trying to tell you how you ought to operate your business.

What I meant in my last post was that I could see where a potential thief might be discouraged from stealing a board because of your product, but who really knows WHY people steal surfboards.

I had my first board stolen right out my parents garage (while everyone was at home too). That was more than 15 years ago though. Since then I have never had a board stolen and I frequently leave them in situations where they could easily get jacked too. Perhaps I'm opening myself up to be a victim by writing this. Who knows?

Some of my friends are OBSESSED with preventing their boards from being stolen. I have directed them to your site.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thanks east coaster i just went through it and you are right about it being a bit misleading , i set this up on my own so i am still making ajustments. I am glad that people like you are on this bb who are willing to help with constructive critisism rather than just giving me **** for no reason.
if you have any more ideas or thoughts on i would be more than happy to hear them.
thanks again.
 

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Spray92109:
<strong>I like the idea, but could you PLEASE use a readable font on the main page? It's microscopic.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spray, do you have a wheel on your mouse? If you do, and you use Internet Explorer, hold down the ctrl button and move the wheel at the same time.
 

Phi1

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Every board I've purchased has had a serial number written onto the stringer (no not the dimensions). When I want a new one similar to it, I give the shaper the serial number and dimensions as a reference so he can look it up in his little shaper log...although I guess not all shapers do this.