Qualifying the 14th Amendment

[GoodOlBoy]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/trump-plans-end-birthright-citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants-axios

I seem to recall reading a few years ago, that 1/3 of all live births in San Diego Co. were to mothers without legal residency status. If I'm correct in that, I'll have to look it up, an Executive Order like this would certainly have a profound effect on the local community.

 

[StuAzole]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/trump-plans-end-birthright-citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants-axios

I seem to recall reading a few years ago, that 1/3 of all live births in San Diego were to mothers without legal residency status. If I'm correct in that, I'll have to look it up, an Executive Order like this would certainly have a profound effect on the local community.

You should start a 3rd thread on this.

Trump can't change the 14th Amendment by EO.

LInk on the SD data?

 

[GoodOlBoy]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/trump-plans-end-birthright-citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants-axios

I seem to recall reading a few years ago, that 1/3 of all live births in San Diego were to mothers without legal residency status. If I'm correct in that, I'll have to look it up, an Executive Order like this would certainly have a profound effect on the local community.

You should start a 3rd thread on this.

Trump can't change the 14th Amendment by EO.

LInk on the SD data?

Apparently I was a little slow off the bat. I should have known that this was already covered in "Delusional Dictator Trump at it again." My bad. I'll find that. Gotta take kiddo to school first.

 

[kidfury]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

 

[GoodOlBoy]

Here's an interesting UT article which states that 40% of all Medical funded live births in the Co. were to undocumented mothers, but that's not total live births.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-report-40-percent-of-countys-medi-cal-births-to-2007jan07-story.html

Which DHCS numbers back up.
https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/dataandstats/statistics/Documents/RASD_Issue_Brief_MC_Births.pdf

I could be worng about that total live borths though. I'll keep digging. I want to know for sure.

Most of what I've read about naturalized birth citizenship in the US seems to indicate that until the late 60s, it was only extended to those with legally residency. Long term, I think that returning to this previous norm would have a net positive effect as it would potentially discourage illegal immigration.

 

[StuAzole]

Here's an interesting UT article which states that 40% of all Medical funded live births in the Co. were to undocumented mothers, but that's not total live births.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-report-40-percent-of-countys-medi-cal-births-to-2007jan07-story.html

Which DHCS numbers back up.
https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/dataandstats/statistics/Documents/RASD_Issue_Brief_MC_Births.pdf

I could be worng about that total live borths though. I'll keep digging. I want to know for sure.

Most of what I've read about naturalized birth citizenship in the US seems to indicate that until the late 60s, it was only extended to those with legally residency. Long term, I think that returning to this previous norm would have a net positive effect as it would potentially discourage illegal immigration.

Yeah, that's incorrect.

I'm not actually against changing the rules - I think once upon a time it was a lot harder to get here and there wasn't a threat of birth tourism like we have now. But that's not an EO from Trump.

 

[Ifallalot]

Here's an interesting UT article which states that 40% of all Medical funded live births in the Co. were to undocumented mothers, but that's not total live births.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-report-40-percent-of-countys-medi-cal-births-to-2007jan07-story.html

Which DHCS numbers back up.
https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/dataandstats/statistics/Documents/RASD_Issue_Brief_MC_Births.pdf

I could be worng about that total live borths though. I'll keep digging. I want to know for sure.

Most of what I've read about naturalized birth citizenship in the US seems to indicate that until the late 60s, it was only extended to those with legally residency. Long term, I think that returning to this previous norm would have a net positive effect as it would potentially discourage illegal immigration.

Yeah, that's incorrect.

I'm not actually against changing the rules - I think once upon a time it was a lot harder to get here and there wasn't a threat of birth tourism like we have now. But that's not an EO from Trump.

¿LENKE?

 

[Ifallalot]

What SCOTUS case already affirmed anchor baby citizenship as referenced in the ZeroHedge article? Etmo?

Just curious

 

[StuAzole]

Here's an interesting UT article which states that 40% of all Medical funded live births in the Co. were to undocumented mothers, but that's not total live births.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-report-40-percent-of-countys-medi-cal-births-to-2007jan07-story.html

Which DHCS numbers back up.
https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/dataandstats/statistics/Documents/RASD_Issue_Brief_MC_Births.pdf

I could be worng about that total live borths though. I'll keep digging. I want to know for sure.

Most of what I've read about naturalized birth citizenship in the US seems to indicate that until the late 60s, it was only extended to those with legally residency. Long term, I think that returning to this previous norm would have a net positive effect as it would potentially discourage illegal immigration.

Yeah, that's incorrect.

I'm not actually against changing the rules - I think once upon a time it was a lot harder to get here and there wasn't a threat of birth tourism like we have now. But that's not an EO from Trump.

¿LENKE?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/30/trump-attack-on-birthright-citizenship-unlikely-to-fly-with-supreme-court.html

 

[FecalFace]

I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one.

 

[hal9000]

Hey guys......ignore the rhetoric and focus on the election coming up next week.

 

[the janitor]

I like the you're born here and you're good ethos.

But, he continues to dominate the 24/7 news cycle using the same methods that won him the presidency, I'm amazed this still works this close to the mid terms

 

[studog]

I like the you're born here and you're good ethos.

But, he continues to dominate the 24/7 news cycle using the same methods that won him the presidency, I'm amazed this still works this close to the mid terms

we'll see next Tuesday. what worked in a prior election doesn't necessarily always work the next time. except maybe fear mongering

 

[mundus]

Trump trying to change the Constitution by EO, I thought conservatards loved our constitution, I guess their love of their scumbag overwhelms everything.

 

[afoaf]

I think that returning to this previous norm would have a net positive effect as it would potentially discourage illegal immigration.

I don't think it's an unreasonable idea.

allowing anyone born here to be a citizen regarding of the parents'
legal status creates a huge incentive for bad behavior.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

I like the you're born here and you're good ethos.

If you and your wife are visiting France or you're there on a 6 month work visa and she pops out a baby you think that baby has a right to French citizenship? Where does that logic stand?

Further, during the drafting of the amendment here in the USA it was made explicitly clear a citizenship giveaway to foreigners was not to be the case.

There's absolutely no logic to birthright citizenship. Civilized countries like Australia long did away with the anchor baby nonsense for a good reason.

 

[FecalFace]

I like the you're born here and you're good ethos.

If you and your wife are visiting France or you're there on a 6 month work visa and she pops out a baby you think that baby has a right to French citizenship? Where does that logic stand?

Why are you so fvcking terrible at analogies?

Sad.

If you're on a work visa, you're not "visiting" . The only 6 month visas are B-1 visitors for business visas or B-2 visitors for pleasure visas.

They're not really work visas and if you had a baby it wouldn't count.

Why are Americans so clueless about the immigration process?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Trump trying to change the Constitution by EO, I thought conservatards loved our constitution, I guess their love of their scumbag overwhelms everything.

I hope he tries (he won't) for the simple sake of him being shot down.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

I like the you're born here and you're good ethos.

If you and your wife are visiting France or you're there on a 6 month work visa and she pops out a baby you think that baby has a right to French citizenship? Where does that logic stand?

Why are you so fvcking terrible at analogies?

Sad,

That's not a terrible analogy.

That's a factual representation of the current misguided (yet practiced) interpretation of US constitutional law.

The only bad part of the analogy is France ended that kind of fuckery decades ago. okestick:

 

[FecalFace]

I like the you're born here and you're good ethos.

If you and your wife are visiting France or you're there on a 6 month work visa and she pops out a baby you think that baby has a right to French citizenship? Where does that logic stand?

Why are you so fvcking terrible at analogies?

Sad,

That's not a terrible analogy.

That's a factual representation of the current misguided (yet practiced) interpretation of US constitutional law.

The only bad part of the analogy is France ended that kind of fuckery decades ago.

If you're on a work visa, you're not "visiting" . The only 6 month visas are B-1 visitors for business visas or B-2 visitors for pleasure visas.

They're not really work visas and if you had a baby on B1 & B2 visas, that wouldn't count.

Why are you so clueless about the immigration process?