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all good as it went there very quickly LOLchilly1 said:Slightly off topic. I decided to upgrade, try Yamamoto rubber and purchased Isurus 4/3 hooded. Fits well, warm, and construction/materials seem high quality. However downside is stiffness, heavy, and long time to dry. I took out my sons 4/3 Rip Curl flash bomb zipperless same day comparison and felt like trunking it in comparison. Loose, and nearly as warm too (did suffer one nasty flushing tho). Likely Isurus will last much longer but life's too short to restrain ones self! Anyone tried Isurus and compared to Feral or any other Yamamoto material. I wonder if that material lasts long but is just characteristically stiff? Thanks!
There's a wide variety of different types of Yamamoto rubber good and bad.chilly1 said:Slightly off topic. I decided to upgrade, try Yamamoto rubber and purchased Isurus 4/3 hooded. Fits well, warm, and construction/materials seem high quality. However downside is stiffness, heavy, and long time to dry. I took out my sons 4/3 Rip Curl flash bomb zipperless same day comparison and felt like trunking it in comparison. Loose, and nearly as warm too (did suffer one nasty flushing tho). Likely Isurus will last much longer but life's too short to restrain ones self! Anyone tried Isurus and compared to Feral or any other Yamamoto material. I wonder if that material lasts long but is just characteristically stiff? Thanks!
My experience is completely the opposite. I've also done the Pepsi challenge with my Flashbomb Zipperless and my Isurus (both 3/2. 2016 E5 FB vs current model Isurus). The Isurus was much more flexible... and warmer. I could've stayed in the water all day in my Isurus. After an hour in FB I was ready to tap out. I agree with the drying time though. A backup is a necessity cause there is no way the Isurus will be even close to dry the next day.chilly1 said:Slightly off topic. I decided to upgrade, try Yamamoto rubber and purchased Isurus 4/3 hooded. Fits well, warm, and construction/materials seem high quality. However downside is stiffness, heavy, and long time to dry. I took out my sons 4/3 Rip Curl flash bomb zipperless same day comparison and felt like trunking it in comparison. Loose, and nearly as warm too (did suffer one nasty flushing tho). Likely Isurus will last much longer but life's too short to restrain ones self! Anyone tried Isurus and compared to Feral or any other Yamamoto material. I wonder if that material lasts long but is just characteristically stiff? Thanks!
I think the Japanese value quality and craftsmanship very highly. As a result, there is a lot of effort put into making a quality suit as well as effort to care for them.casa_mugrienta said:Here's a question. Do the Japanese take better care of their suits and thus more effort is made to put together a quality product?.
As far as US manufacturers, I think their bottom line is the most important factor for them. Most are making their suits cheaply in the same factory with small differences between brands. A lot of it comes down to the marketing of the newest strechiest neoprene and that's about it. Many got rid of smoothskin and a lot do very similar seam glue/taping.casa_mugrienta said:Because it seems most people treat their suits like sh!t. Minimal rinsing, sun dried. So maybe your average manufacturer just says f- it, they're gonna treat their suit like sh!t so quality is irrelevant.
Yet every time I ask a soyboy that I see wearing one in ventura they all say the same thing....obslop said:looks like the patagonia suits are more hated now than 10 years ago when all these same issues were already well known.
Well, maybe you're not soul enough to understand.Duffy said:Yet every time I ask a soyboy that I see wearing one in ventura they all say the same thing....obslop said:looks like the patagonia suits are more hated now than 10 years ago when all these same issues were already well known.
“Best suit ever....”
Yeah, right.....
I got some gloves with the wool lining. They somehow achieved the impossible and actually made my hands colder by wearing them.ghostshaper said:Had an old wool lined r2. Heaviest least flexible suit I've ever owned. The worst part was that there a seam down the middle of the neck, so I got the worst neck rash I've ever seen. Showed the shop guy the picture, and he wrote on the warranty card, "severe neck rash." Haha
Thought these suits were designed by people who surf?
no, it's just one side opening now and yet it's still flawed in just about every other way possible. the inside neck gasket is too short so there is like an inch of overlap. no cinch cord so water just flows in and out at will. to top it off they went with the zipper the wrong way so you have to line up the two parts using both hands instead of the tried and true right to left one handed operation style that oniell, xcel, isurus, etc. use. it's pretty annoying to be messing around with lining up zipper parts when your hands are freezing and/or you are wearing gloves which, since it's a cold water suit, is most of the time.manbearpig said:Can’t believe Patagonia still hasn’t fixed the flushing issue.
Does the hood still have openings on both sides?