New Retro Single Fin Shortboards

TRI FINS ARE DANGEROUS

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I ride the 5'9" and the 6'1". Go short for shure.

The new SF's are pricier because:

They are a limited series.

They are more work for the laminator(cutlaps=time)

The good pigments are $$$, over $80 bucks for a small tin.

Pinlines.

Gloss and polish, more labor.

Longboarders know that fins aren't cheap. A nice center fin ranges from $40-$80.

Custom ordered thicker foam.

It's all pennies a wave...
 

GWS

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My ancient G&S pig

5'9"

21 1/2"

Nose- 16.5"

Tail- 17"

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so the sexy

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GWS:
<strong>My ancient G&S pig

5'9"

21 1/2"

Nose- 16.5"

Tail- 17"
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Looks fun, GWS... errrr.. groovn? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
 

GWS

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G-man gave me back the password.

The G&S goes on e-bay latter today. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
 

so the sexy

Miki Dora status
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GWS:
<strong>G-man gave me back the password.

The G&S goes on e-bay latter today. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Say it ain't so!!!! What gives?

How much are you looking for,if you don't mind me asking??? Which you might.
 

GWS

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I&#8217;d let it go for two bills. It&#8217;s stringerless and I&#8217;m guessing about 3.5&#8221; thick. All the dings have been patched and a gloss coat was put on the bottom and the top rails (from the pin stripes down and the &#8220;gloss&#8221; was put on with hot-coat resin) It needs to have the edge from the tape taken off and be rubbed out, but other than that it&#8217;s as restored as it&#8217;s gonna get. Didn&#8217;t put it up yet. Maybe tomorrow. I will hate to see it go. I love the little pig boards from that era.
 

R3W

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How did it get the traction pad outline and what appears to be the shadow of a Merrick logo right on the nose?

You guys ever read the board descriptions on EBay just for grins? Some of them are hilarious.
 

GWS

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My parents neighbor bought the board for his kid. It was pristine. I tried to buy it off of him but he declined. His kid decides to “improve” the board by putting a traction pad, leash cup and stickers all over the board. They then left the board out in the sun for a few years and never rode it. It yellowed more every time I saw it. It had more dings every time I saw it. Finally I couldn’t take it anymore. I walked over and demanded he sell it to me. He told me his “no good” kid had never even used the board and gave it to me for free. When I peeled all the crap off of it, that’s what it looked like from sun damage.
 

Phi1

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Christ that thing is ugly...I love it! I was wondering why I couldn't see a stringer. I didn't figure someone got the thing pigmented a suncured brown. That skeg is friggin huge, must be at least a 10".

What was the idea behind the stringerless boards, more flex? Less weight? Experiment?
 

so the sexy

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I said I'd stay away from the SURFER DISCUSSION BOARD, not the DESIGN FORUM... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

GWS, how does that baby ride? I'd like to take a swing at it, but I'm not sure if wifey will elt me invest anymore mula at this point... Something about "diapers, baby clothes, and responsibility"... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
 

GWS

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Stink

I believe the stringer-less thing was just an effort to save weight. It must have been a bitch to shape those things without a center point for reference.

STS

Lol! I won’t tell. I rode board like this one back when they were cutting edge. “The Aussie mind machine” thing. Every now and then I get nostalgic and take it out. And then I remember why I stopped riding boards like that. I can ride the thing, but it’s just a huge step backwards. The rails/rocker/bottom is all ancient. The modern single fin applies new stuff to old concepts. I’d love to ride a new one to see what they feel like. This thing… IMO, should go to someone who wants to collect boards. I can’t imagine riding it on a regular basis. Malcolm saw the board and, like me, just had to ride it. (We’re about the same vintage) He brought it back to me going, ‘We really have come a long way!’
 

R3W

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Last week I worked up a retro single fin with Malcolm. Except it's going to have, uh, 5 fins.
It's a 6'10" diamond tail about 20" wide (forward of center). The rails will be modernized and the foil won't have the extreme thickness through the nose as the old ones. Moonlight will add the finishing touchs of course.

Malcolm is so cool plus he's like an encyclopedia of board design and history.
 

so the sexy

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Thanks for the feedback GWS... I just thought it would be cool to take out every once in a while...

I'm satisfied with the single-fin I have now, but I would like to try a modern version.

R3W, sounds like you're going to have some fun when that baby gets finished (ie: Dec 2003 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> )
 

Phi1

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Nice R3W. I've been going back and forth lately on what I want. I really want to use my 6'1" as a template for a five finned Bonzer, but I've been using my single fin so much lately, I've been thinking about scaling that down a bit and going for a 3 finned Bonzer. Basically like one of those Bumble Bee Bonzers, but with a wide, e-winged rounded pin. I'm really liking the short, thick wide board at this point.

I guess the best solution would just be to get both. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
 

R3W

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*ntink - Orig Tim would be a good one to bounce some ideas off of and I know MLsurf loves his e-wing bonzer fish.

I guess I was mainly looking for an old school template without some of the crude aspects of the originals. By the way, I got Red-X runners with standard center box. I plan doing a few fin experiments.

[ June 05, 2003, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: R3W ]
 

R3W

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Nice ML - Your 7'4" was an inspiration, that's for sure. Thanks again for the info.
 

Kalani

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Hey R3W, I ordered the same thing a few weeks ago...It's based on O'Tim's 6'10" retro but 7'. Same rounded diamond tail and 3" forward of center widepoint. Hearing how adaptable that design is to different conditions makes it a very good choice. Hopefully OT will show and give us the scoop on his...
Later..
 

pinliner

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hey GWS thanks for the inspiration I rode my 5'10 bonzer fish all thru that swell we had last week and I'm stoked, only problem is its like trying to duckdive a basketball.
 

GWS

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LOL!

What fin did you use? I’m sold on the TA 7.5” cutaway for mine. And the strange thing is I don’t like the fin in any of my other bonzers. I prefer MC’s designs. But in the e-wing fish it goes off. Next I want to try the 8 incher and that Greenough paddle fin.

And I loaned my board to a friend that weighs about 175 and he hurt his shoulder trying to duck dive the thing. At 200 I have no problem with it. Glad you’re stoked.
 

GWS

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This is the next fin for the fish. 7.25"

<img src="http://www.trueames.com/stage6paddlebig.jpg" alt=" - " />

True Ames write up follows:

"Back ground information on the evolution ofthe Greenough Stage 6 Paddle fin.

Around about 1981 George began what was to be a keen interest in windsurfing. He took what he knew about surf board construction and directly applied these concepts to windsurfing. We all know he was in to flexible vehicles to ride waves. They could easily bend to the curve of the wave face producing incredible performance results. He took this same concept and applied it to his sailboards and fins.

As far as fins were concerned he noticed his boards started spinning out when using conventional fin designs. In his words "....so I started experimenting with different fins. It soon became obvious the more area cut out of the base, the better they worked." George evolved this concept in to what he calls the Paddle fin. His fins were ultimately constructed in ground, hardened stainless steel. Windsurfing fins take far more load than surf board fins and no other material seemed to hold up under the high stress levels.

George always encouraged me to try this same design for surfboards, but with reluctance (somewhat joking around but with underlying truth). He didn't want surfers to have any further advantage where competition for waves is already heated. ... George used to have many days at Rincon where he could use as much wave face as he wanted with his flexible spoon.

I have toyed with this design for many years until recently a few respected riders encouraged me to get this out to the public. "It is valid enough and you can work on it as you get more feed back." So our quest at True Ames to offer the seemingly impossible.

Theory and application.

These fins are designed as power fins and need to be treated as such. George's description of the foils go like this..."The foils are compound; a surface-piercing foil is used in the leg and a flatter foil in the blade. The leg acts as a torsion bar, letting the blade bend off in the turns." He also refers to the blade as an active paddle and the leg as a passive support. You can haul ass around the turns, is the theory. WellÉ we also have found these fins to have EXCELENT nose riding results. The 9.75' is rock solid on the tip of your 9' + single fin long board.

Materials and construction.

Currently we are using the traditional fiberglass sheet lay-up for the 7.25'-9.0'. We will be studying the loads on the fins and try to move towards the molded technology that we are in production with on the 9.75'. We are finding that we can get a stiffer leg and a more "active paddle" using fiber orientation with a molded glass construction."