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Midnight Mitch.
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That's what the courts are for, and that was the remedy the House had to solve their problem. There haste to bypass that remedy doesn't make Trump guilty of obstruction.
When the cops go to search someone's home we don't charge them with obstruction when they tell the cops to go get a warrant.
pompeo and mulvaney both defied their subpoenas
trump appointees have run interference in the courts with procedural delays
your analogy would be more apt if the homeowner refused search even when
provided with a warrant, no?
This. Mitch wants to haul ass because the courts have ordered release of some materials, with deadlines, and it's going to come out through late Winter/early Spring.
Only instead of Trump/Bannon/Cambridge/Wikileaks orchestrating it, it's the end result of Team Dumpf employing the most shortsighted, narrow strategy in politics known to man. It's some sort of splatterpaint modern art that came out Rembrandt. Something like harmonic dissonance or some sh!t.
The procedural delays are part of the game, and everyone understood that at the outset. Same with blowing off House-issued subpeonas, which by definition will be subject to appeal in this example. It wasn't the courts who issued the subpeona, but essentially the prosecutors. There are 3 branches to the power of the federal govt, not just 2.
The House had remedies that they chose to not exercise, so their lapse does not prove Trump was not allowed to tell them to go to the courts.
that the system is being gamed does not make your analogy any more apropos
Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit
You're claiming that the reason you don't have evidence is executive privilege.
If you had evidence to convict Trump of an illegal act what you said might be relevant. You are admitting that you don't have that evidence. The way to pursue a criminal charge against a sitting president, in order to qualify for overriding executive privilege, is impeachment. You don't have evidence that Trump committed an illegal act, so you don't have the evidence required to convict Trump in impeachment. That means you have no basis to override executive privilege.
It is what it is. This has been true since October. Only t-o-t-a-l - f-u-c-k-i-n-g - I-D-I-O-T-S can't understand this.
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If evidence came out today that completely exonerated POTUS I guess that couldn't be used in Senate hearings either?
I realize this stance presumes guilt, but this is not a criminal trial. If it were they probably would have just used obstruction outlined in Mueller report.
I realize this stance presumes guilt, but this is not a criminal trial. If it were they probably would have just used obstruction outlined in Mueller report.
Isn't that is trumps MO?
Then he bails with his loot, leaving a desiccated husk of what the enterprise used to be? .
the Mueller obstruction is based on Mcgahn's testimony, which I'm pretty sure is headed to the Supreme Court. If they rule he has to testify to the House, then we could have a 3rd article of impeachment. Or Cheeto gets prosecuted after he leaves office when temporary Presidential immunity from normal prosecution expires
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Besides all of that who, except a complete imbecile, comes to SurferMag to BITCH that Trump didn't give his side enough information to convict him?
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Besides all of that who, except a complete imbecile, comes to SurferMag to BITCH that Trump didn't give his side enough information to convict him?
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Why are you here? I have never seen a single surf related post out of your addled mind.
1. You haven't been here long enough.
2. SurferMag hates me because of my conservative views, and deletes my account or changes my name periodically.
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I'm not commenting on what's right or fair or moral or just; only that the game in play has rules, and the winner is often the one who exploits those rules most effectively.
I've watched way too many guilty-guilty-guilty people walk free because we couldn't meet the burden of proof or due to one of those procedural roadblocks to get too wound up about any of the current cast of crooks getting away with their misconduct.
Meanwhile, this here is America. The burden of proof rests with the accuser, not the accused, and the standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. We assert the ideal of letting 9 guilty men walk free in order to avoid the wrongful conviction of the 10th. We either mean that or we don't.
There's no crying in baseball. Or politics.
The prosecution is schooling the GOP, using the president's own words against him. How long can people sit and listen to incontrovertible facts before their conscience starts getting the better of them?
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Yesterday some spectator yelled something bad about Chuck Schumer, and was removed. Now there's talk on the Senate floor. Apparently some senators are planning to do the same thing.
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Yesterday some spectator yelled something bad about Chuck Schumer, and was removed. Now there's talk on the Senate floor. Apparently some senators are planning to do the same thing.
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