Thanks. Seems like NVS has a few sets floating around that aren’t available to us commoners yet. Wayne Rich had a twin + trailer set at the boardroom show that looked chi chis.
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Long Fish vs Mid Length
- Thread starter Fillmo
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Not sure mine is a long fish....maybe just a longer fish, but my 6'2" xtr moonstone is my fav board. Tons of drive, speed, projection, and loves being on rail. Maybe not a fair comparison to a more traditional long fish some guys make. It has a lot of performance even with keels. Liked it so much I have a longer one on order.
Had a 6'3" xtr Townsend round pin a while back. In comparison to the moonstone you could feel extra hold off the tail and more control on bigger days. Maybe a bit more pivot overall. It felt a bit less exciting in a way compared to the ms and I let it go. Maybe the slower/safer feeling and i've been enjoying fast/drivey boards lately.
I picked up a 6'8" xtr Townsend later on and got it with a diamond tail in hopes of making it more playful this time. Faster and more snappy for sure with the way it releases compared to the rp I had. Overall more fun for me. You give up a little upper end, but seems more versatile in average conditions with the little wider tail and less of the feel of the pin dragging. If I was only going to surf it on the biggest days I would go with the rp, otherwise I like the dt more in everything else.
Last one was a 6'8" Sakal Sabre in pu I picked up more recently. Probably only have 6 surfs on it. First impressions.... a good bit less performance than my 6'8" Townsend. It is nearly an inch wider/more foam/heavier than xtr so i expected it. You feel the weight and surf it slower. Catches waves extremely well though and paddles into them great. Easier than all the boards in my quiver I think. Has more rocker in the nose than my townsend with 1/4 less in the tail and has channels. It was designed for keels and feels drivey/fast down the line. I've had some turns on it that felt good when getting my backfoot in the right spot but it kinda feels like it wants to just go and not be forced vertical too much. You can shuffle your feet all around and it will still go, just need to get back if you really want to swing it. I'm enjoying it lately when i want to surf more mellow or catch a lot of waves when its busy.
Had a 6'3" xtr Townsend round pin a while back. In comparison to the moonstone you could feel extra hold off the tail and more control on bigger days. Maybe a bit more pivot overall. It felt a bit less exciting in a way compared to the ms and I let it go. Maybe the slower/safer feeling and i've been enjoying fast/drivey boards lately.
I picked up a 6'8" xtr Townsend later on and got it with a diamond tail in hopes of making it more playful this time. Faster and more snappy for sure with the way it releases compared to the rp I had. Overall more fun for me. You give up a little upper end, but seems more versatile in average conditions with the little wider tail and less of the feel of the pin dragging. If I was only going to surf it on the biggest days I would go with the rp, otherwise I like the dt more in everything else.
Last one was a 6'8" Sakal Sabre in pu I picked up more recently. Probably only have 6 surfs on it. First impressions.... a good bit less performance than my 6'8" Townsend. It is nearly an inch wider/more foam/heavier than xtr so i expected it. You feel the weight and surf it slower. Catches waves extremely well though and paddles into them great. Easier than all the boards in my quiver I think. Has more rocker in the nose than my townsend with 1/4 less in the tail and has channels. It was designed for keels and feels drivey/fast down the line. I've had some turns on it that felt good when getting my backfoot in the right spot but it kinda feels like it wants to just go and not be forced vertical too much. You can shuffle your feet all around and it will still go, just need to get back if you really want to swing it. I'm enjoying it lately when i want to surf more mellow or catch a lot of waves when its busy.
agree about the moonstone having more spark in lesser conditions than the townsend. townsend feels more like a stap and moonstone a daily driver.
I love when you go off on design threads.
Some of the best posts from peeps who actually know what they’re talking about. Please don’t leave, like many of your kind (ilk? stature?) have.
i, for the record...hate sharky for all the porn he posts that i cant touch....or leave sticky pages too? or really touch? bastard.
that thing looks KILER
Great post. "For an increasingly aging surfer, it's all relative." is my new signature line.
Was out at the middle point this afternoon, cruising on a big board and trying to get my confidence back after my hamstring injury. Only other guy out the back was Tom Lowe on a 7'0 Christensen Long Fish and he was surfing so well, especially considering how fcuked up he got at Teahupoo. Salt of the earth fella too.
Made me want to give a Long Fish a go.
Made me want to give a Long Fish a go.
Just bought a basically brand new 7'4" Seaside and beyond because it was dirt cheap. I assume cheap since it's no longer flavour of the month for the Machado fan club so will see how that goes.
I'm very intrigued by the libtech LT....
So how is it going with the Seaside and beyond? Curious to see what you think as I am also intrigued with the 7'0" Outlier you seem to be fond of. Debating between these two and a Harley Ingleby Moe to help with the increasing crowds in northeast Florida. Might be fun to play around with for winter as well.
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The SS&B was sold on after a few surfs. I didn't like having to surf it right off the tail in turns. I'm no fan of the Moe. Pushes water when paddling and I gives me sore shoulders as a result. Goes ok on a wave but doesn't have the wow factor that makes me want to keep boards.
longfish easier speed works better in weaker waves at least my stamps does
Thanks for the info. So the Outlier is still the one that outshines the others you have tried? Also saw a Stewart you had posted in the midlength thread. Did you sell that one as well?
@Turtle71 I highly recommend the 7-oh outlier for small waves, if it's junky and weak, even better. It can still go in good waves, but why bother when you have good wave boards handy.
It feels like a hybrid of a stubby, a fish and a mini simmons. Really fast in weak/soft waves and turns beautifully. A little bit different to a single fin as it's a little more back foot oriented
It feels like a hybrid of a stubby, a fish and a mini simmons. Really fast in weak/soft waves and turns beautifully. A little bit different to a single fin as it's a little more back foot oriented
so fins forward made a big difference. Also switching to uprights.
Sold the Stewart to part fund the second purchase of the Outlier 7'er. My first one went to JaM71.
The Stewart is a very fun board to surf and works well in waist high to overhead, clean conditions and then it's wide nose becomes a liability in duckdiving when waves are larger.
The Outlier works at its best in the high tide, flatter faced clean waves and when its dis jointed and junky its connects the pockets of energy with all its planing area with consummate ease.
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Re-visiting this and Imho you'd be hard pressed to find a "mid length" in the current crop that I am aware of that could outperform a Lost crowd killer in good head high plus, hollow waves where steep enough take offs prove problematic for wider and lowered rockered noses. Then tight turns in the pocket rather than out on the face would also be challenging for the current crop due to their lower tail rocker when compared to the crowd killer. I'd include boards like the Tolhurst Mid 6 (which I've ridden extensively) Pyzel mid life crisis and Chilli mid strength in the more performance end of the "mid length" catergory where the boards are commonly ridden in the 6'10" and longer lengths.
Interesting thought. I figured the mid strength would be comparable if not more versatile than the crowd killer.