Life in the Land of Free Healthcare and Income Equality

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Yare, Venezuela— Jean Pierre Planchart, a year old, has the drawn face of an old man and a cry that is little more than a whimper. His ribs show through his skin. He weighs just 11 pounds.

His mother, Maria Planchart, tried to feed him what she could find combing through the trash—scraps of chicken or potato. She finally took him to a hospital in Caracas, where she prays a rice-milk concoction keeps her son alive.

“I watched him sleep and sleep, getting weaker, all the time losing weight,” said Ms. Planchart, 34 years old. “I never thought I’d see Venezuela like this.”

Her country was once Latin America’s richest, producing food for export. Venezuela now can’t grow enough to feed its own people in an economy hobbled by the nationalization of private farms, and price and currency controls.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuela-is-starving-1493995317
 

studog

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Venezuela has always been a dictatorship. use to be a guy in my department who was from there. he said they was so much corruption in everything. "Socialists"? he just laughed at that misconception
 

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Only an enormous dummy would look at Haiti as a beacon of capitalism., so why look at Venezuela as an example of health care or anything?

I'll tell you why. It's because you're a dummy.

Look at Australia, Germany, Sweden, Denmarl, France, Iceland, Norway and every other developed country with a single payer system and come back.

Chances are you won't do that.

 

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stu dog said:
Venezuela has always been a dictatorship. use to be a guy in my department who was from there. he said they was so much corruption in everything. "Socialists"? he just laughed at that misconception
Was your guy an adult in Venezuela 35 years ago? Pre Chavez Venezuela was the third most prosperous country in the americas. What's happening there right now is a disaster.
 

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ElOgro said:
stu dog said:
Venezuela has always been a dictatorship. use to be a guy in my department who was from there. he said they was so much corruption in everything. "Socialists"? he just laughed at that misconception
Was your guy an adult in Venezuela 35 years ago? Pre Chavez Venezuela was the third most prosperous country in the americas. What's happening there right now is a disaster.
he has family still there. he didn't go home during Chavez on fear he wouldn't get back out, but said it was still as corrupt. more social services but it was 100% tied to oil. all that money dried up and now not as good of charismatic leader and the country has gone to sh!t. he went down there last year when the economy started going down. still the rich were doing plenty fine. kick back % wasn't as good as during Chavez.
 

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stu dog said:
ElOgro said:
stu dog said:
Venezuela has always been a dictatorship. use to be a guy in my department who was from there. he said they was so much corruption in everything. "Socialists"? he just laughed at that misconception
Was your guy an adult in Venezuela 35 years ago? Pre Chavez Venezuela was the third most prosperous country in the americas. What's happening there right now is a disaster.
he has family still there. he didn't go home during Chavez on fear he wouldn't get back out, but said it was still as corrupt. more social services but it was 100% tied to oil. all that money dried up and now not as good of charismatic leader and the country has gone to sh!t. he went down there last year when the economy started going down. still the rich were doing plenty fine. kick back % wasn't as good as during Chavez.
When and why did the oil money dry up?

 

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ElOgro said:
stu dog said:
ElOgro said:
stu dog said:
Venezuela has always been a dictatorship. use to be a guy in my department who was from there. he said they was so much corruption in everything. "Socialists"? he just laughed at that misconception
Was your guy an adult in Venezuela 35 years ago? Pre Chavez Venezuela was the third most prosperous country in the americas. What's happening there right now is a disaster.
he has family still there. he didn't go home during Chavez on fear he wouldn't get back out, but said it was still as corrupt. more social services but it was 100% tied to oil. all that money dried up and now not as good of charismatic leader and the country has gone to sh!t. he went down there last year when the economy started going down. still the rich were doing plenty fine. kick back % wasn't as good as during Chavez.
When and why did the oil money dry up?
dried up is a little over exaggerated. but Chavez was ruling when oil prices where $100/barrel and the money was flowing to put into social services.
 

ElOgro

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stu dog said:
ElOgro said:
stu dog said:
ElOgro said:
stu dog said:
Venezuela has always been a dictatorship. use to be a guy in my department who was from there. he said they was so much corruption in everything. "Socialists"? he just laughed at that misconception
Was your guy an adult in Venezuela 35 years ago? Pre Chavez Venezuela was the third most prosperous country in the americas. What's happening there right now is a disaster.
he has family still there. he didn't go home during Chavez on fear he wouldn't get back out, but said it was still as corrupt. more social services but it was 100% tied to oil. all that money dried up and now not as good of charismatic leader and the country has gone to sh!t. he went down there last year when the economy started going down. still the rich were doing plenty fine. kick back % wasn't as good as during Chavez.
When and why did the oil money dry up?
dried up is a little over exaggerated. but Chavez was ruling when oil prices where $100/barrel and the money was flowing to put into social services.
And then the price of oil started declining and they found out that insufficient money had been flowing into the goose that had been laying the golden eggs all those years (their petroleum industry). I can't speak to their health care situation but that nitwit Chavez and his retard lackey Maduro drove the bus into the shitter. Now the toilet is stopped up and overflowing up to the population's knees.
 

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FecalFace said:
Only an enormous dummy would look at Haiti as a beacon of capitalism., so why look at Venezuela as an example of health care or anything?

I'll tell you why. It's because you're a dummy.

Look at Australia, Germany, Sweden, Denmarl, France, Iceland, Norway and every other developed country with a single payer system and come back.

Chances are you won't do that.
Based on my mother's experience needing healthcare in Stockholm Sweden after a fall I'd cross Sweden off that list.

The bottom line, if you ever need lifesaving healthcare the best is right here in the United States. The best doesn't come cheaply. The real problem is a problem paying for the best care........not the care itself. The quazi-socialist fixes that have been attempted have failed and have hardest hit middle income families who are trying to do things right. The rich can always afford the premiums and the best care. The middle class used to be able to afford the premiums and the best care. Thanks to leftist policies the middle class are bearing the burden for the poor and the freeloaders of society and now it has not only made health insurance for the middle class unaffordable it has also driven down their standard of living.
 

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GromsDad said:
FecalFace said:
Only an enormous dummy would look at Haiti as a beacon of capitalism., so why look at Venezuela as an example of health care or anything?

I'll tell you why. It's because you're a dummy.

Look at Australia, Germany, Sweden, Denmarl, France, Iceland, Norway and every other developed country with a single payer system and come back.

Chances are you won't do that.
Based on my mother's experience needing healthcare in Stockholm Sweden after a fall I'd cross Sweden off that list.

The bottom line, if you ever need lifesaving healthcare the best is right here in the United States. The best doesn't come cheaply. The real problem is a problem paying for the best care........not the care itself. The quazi-socialist fixes that have been attempted have failed and have hardest hit middle income families who are trying to do things right. The rich can always afford the premiums and the best care. The middle class used to be able to afford the premiums and the best care. Thanks to leftist policies the middle class are bearing the burden for the poor and the freeloaders of society and now it has not only made health insurance for the middle class unaffordable it has also driven down their standard of living.
What about the huge profits the insurance companies are making?

What about the inflated cost of treatment?

Why don't you include these factors in your frame?

Don't get me wrong, I hate poor people too. That is why I want them to kill their fetuses.
 

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Autoprax said:
GromsDad said:
FecalFace said:
Only an enormous dummy would look at Haiti as a beacon of capitalism., so why look at Venezuela as an example of health care or anything?

I'll tell you why. It's because you're a dummy.

Look at Australia, Germany, Sweden, Denmarl, France, Iceland, Norway and every other developed country with a single payer system and come back.

Chances are you won't do that.
Based on my mother's experience needing healthcare in Stockholm Sweden after a fall I'd cross Sweden off that list.

The bottom line, if you ever need lifesaving healthcare the best is right here in the United States. The best doesn't come cheaply. The real problem is a problem paying for the best care........not the care itself. The quazi-socialist fixes that have been attempted have failed and have hardest hit middle income families who are trying to do things right. The rich can always afford the premiums and the best care. The middle class used to be able to afford the premiums and the best care. Thanks to leftist policies the middle class are bearing the burden for the poor and the freeloaders of society and now it has not only made health insurance for the middle class unaffordable it has also driven down their standard of living.
What about the huge profits the insurance companies are making?

This would not be an issue if the free market were in play. As it stands now the free market does not exist in the health insurance industry. The government picked winners and losers and now the winners the politicians chose are reaping the huge profits you are upset about. Get the government out of it and let the free maket right the ship on its own.

What about the inflated cost of treatment?

A factor of many things going back to the government picking winners and losers. It is also compounded by doctors and hospitals having to make up for people who don't pay by over inflating the bills of people who do pay.

Why don't you include these factors in your frame?

You didn't ask.

Don't get me wrong, I hate poor people too. That is why I want them to kill their fetuses.

You are a sick individual.
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I didn't see where you put in your answers. You need to bold your text for easier readablity.


Thanks you for taking me off ignore.

That felt hurtful and hateful when you did that.