hunchback has its moments and can be fun once in a while on gutless knee-high days. closer to waist-high, and I'll pick from the gravel quiver: gremlin, gmm2, Akila con fish, eltomoquad. Those boars get way more use than I'd prefer
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I don't believe in grovelers COME AT ME
- Thread starter PRCD
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More to the point - I actually agree that grovelers don't catch waves or paddle better and I am skeptical that adding ~2L to your normal volume "for paddling" or "for wave catching" is helping. I have found I can catch hilariously small waves on my normal boards, but actually riding them is another story! Similarly a longer, narrower board is going to go from point A to point B in a lineup better than a short, wide one. I think that is what PRCD is trying to say.
And that's totally fine! Once you're up and riding, the extra foam in the tail block and lower overall rocker is going to keep you planing over small sections, and the short length will help you get in the lip and do more "normal" shortboard-style turns. But no, it isn't going to help you paddle battle the old salty dude on the log. He's going to win every single time. It WILL help you against the hipster on a mid-length, because he has no idea what he's doing.
There is a time and a place for both approaches.
And that's totally fine! Once you're up and riding, the extra foam in the tail block and lower overall rocker is going to keep you planing over small sections, and the short length will help you get in the lip and do more "normal" shortboard-style turns. But no, it isn't going to help you paddle battle the old salty dude on the log. He's going to win every single time. It WILL help you against the hipster on a mid-length, because he has no idea what he's doing.
There is a time and a place for both approaches.
Always amazed at guys that can log and shortboard equally well. Always felt weird when i'd switch between them. I will log occasionally if its tiny and I just need to paddle but honestly would rather find something else to do.
I feel this. I've never owned a log, but whenever I've borrowed one I can barely even figure out how to sit on it LOL.
I've enjoyed riding the Album Townsend I got from Steve on the smaller days out here. It's longer so more glide, but you still basically have to pump and turn it like a shortboard. It's also a good board for the handful of winter days when it's too cold to bother trying to surf a hp board. For the waves I ride it in I'd probably order the wide-tail file if I was going custom but the stock asym works better than you might think.
However, sometimes it's just too steep. One day in particular I had the Townsend and Shadow at the beach with me, it was ~waist high with a few plus sets but PUNCHY, and I just could not figure out how to take a tiny but steep drop on such a long board. I kept nose diving and I'm sure I looked like a kook. Swapped it for the Shadow and it wasn't perfect but I got a lot of good turns off, kind of funny. There can be a lot of variety to waist high waves that can call for different approaches!
This. There's a lot of different variations to a waist high wave that work best with very different boards.
I use keels in the Bean Bags; I think this counteracts the short feeling. I tried a shaper personal 5'6". Went great in very bumpy small trade swell, but felt kind of short with the fins I had (no keels/no big twin).
For people who either ride their shortboard or don't surf, and refuse to surf any wave without a pocket, I'd ask the local shaper to take said shortboard, shorten it an inch or two, bump the width, and relax the rocker. Don't go straight to a mini-sim, then say it sucks in shorebreak wedges.
The 'I paddle in fine, pop up, and I pump but nothing happens' I would blame rocker, especially tail rocker.
Waist with plus sets but PUNCHY, and basically anyone who wants their shortboard to be a little easier to ride, I would suggest the OG Lost Rocket. Redux or 2/3 might be good too; haven't ridden them. But the OG Rocket, it gets in that little bit earlier, little bit faster, but all that flip in the tail makes it feel great in steep stuff where drivier boards don't fit and start to feel like a handful.
For people who either ride their shortboard or don't surf, and refuse to surf any wave without a pocket, I'd ask the local shaper to take said shortboard, shorten it an inch or two, bump the width, and relax the rocker. Don't go straight to a mini-sim, then say it sucks in shorebreak wedges.
The 'I paddle in fine, pop up, and I pump but nothing happens' I would blame rocker, especially tail rocker.
Waist with plus sets but PUNCHY, and basically anyone who wants their shortboard to be a little easier to ride, I would suggest the OG Lost Rocket. Redux or 2/3 might be good too; haven't ridden them. But the OG Rocket, it gets in that little bit earlier, little bit faster, but all that flip in the tail makes it feel great in steep stuff where drivier boards don't fit and start to feel like a handful.
if you don't "get in early" on longer flat-rockered boars, you're kinda screwed on a steep drop. The spots I surf often have fairly steep drops, then some softer, slopier sections down the line which wide-point-forward, flatter rocker boars help carry speed through to the next steeper section. It's a balancing act. On 6'7 townsend or 6'4 plasmid, they want to be paddled close to the nose, so I really have to adjust my feet to shift back to tail during the pop-up. Gives me a better chance on any late steep drop.
On the flip side, I've found the shorter wider gravelers can work for me up to HH at these spots, provided it's slope-y or chunky or onshore.
I got a 6'6 twin pin from a local shaper over the winter for that exact reason. Haven't fully connected with it but honestly haven't given it a fair shake as I always end up on something else. Need to dial in the fins. Prob shoulda grabbed a Townsend when I had the chance.
If its punchy at all I'm on my "shortboards"
The erbb is not your wife save this for her and why ya need another bord
some fat days at waist high a mid length or log is going to be better suited.
other days at punchy knee high it can be more fun chasing and hitting sucky sections on a very short over volumed board.
The extra volume in grovellers might not technically help "plane" but it certainly helps get in earlier and get the first pump in.
other days at punchy knee high it can be more fun chasing and hitting sucky sections on a very short over volumed board.
The extra volume in grovellers might not technically help "plane" but it certainly helps get in earlier and get the first pump in.
Just to throw a wrench in all this tall guy shouldn't ride a short, fat groveler talk: I'm 6'3 195 and ride a 5'7 Plasmic. It's super chunky, wide and short and my most HP board. I can get it more vert than any board and snap the living bejesus out of it. Despite the fat rail, it carves fine for me too. YMMV.
I have a 5'8" FCS and I used the FCS2 Modern Keel with GX or GL rears, then swooped some Griffin Keels off erBB classified and those are better. First I used the Harley Ingleby quad set. It was pretty good and if you want it to feel more thrustery/pivoty definitely an option, but I like the way the keels feel on rail and getting around sections, especially just kind of trim-blasting through foamy bits. The Bean Bag is good in surf that's so flat faced it can't even muster up the energy to crumble all the way through to the flat. Mostly use the GL rears.
I also have a 5'10" for micro dogshit medieval serf dying of bubonic plague Florida summers grovel. It has Futures. I tried the Rasta Keels and that washed out some, so I got the NVS Stamps. I use the upright wooden-looking rears from some controller set and that seems fine.
Our dribble often still seems to be fairly walled or fairly racy. We don't normally have insanely flat faced surf but with a uniform curl section where you can surf top to bottom the whole way given a flat enough board. There's generally a fair bit of going laterally and doing roundhouses, so the keels make holding board speed easy - push hard; they'll do the rest. If you will be surfing a wave with a bit slower, more uniform peel speed with a mini pocket the whole way, the keels might be a mistake.
I ride the DD HPSB stuff like Baby Buggy, Sub Driver in the fatty dims at 6'4" so if your normal thrusters are 5'8" or 5'10", a twin set or large thruster sides might be gold and all this talk of salvaging abandoned sailboats and sawing half the hull off to wobble about in knee high dogshit might be a bit much. I'm just saying don't try the Felipe grom thruster set and then set the board on fire as an offering for more swell. Unless you live in North Florida; then torch the fucking thing straightaway.
get a von sold manta. quit fking around. u new here or st?
It's legit grovel I'll say that much.sounds fun!
Rest of you clowns out here, living in a castle, wearing a crown, sporting purple cape lined with snow leopard fur and gesturing with your jeweled sceptre at every duck-tending peasant girl whose teats aren't dangling like an old cow's udders to be seized and carried off to your chamber for a thorough plowing that evening, fggn have your slave-borne litter brought to the erBB to try to tell me how bad tending the fields is.
sounds like u need a good gymnastic rings workout. hit up ur buddy chalki!
da fk???It's legit grovel I'll say that much.
Rest of you clowns out here, living in a castle, wearing a crown, sporting purple cape lined with snow leopard fur and gesturing with your jeweled sceptre at every duck-tending peasant girl whose teats aren't dangling like an old cow's udders to be seized and carried off to your chamber for a thorough plowing that evening, fggn have your slave-borne litter brought to the erBB to try to tell me how bad tending the fields is.
