*edited-- not meant to disrespect the victims, but if thats how some people perceive it, I'll take it out*<p>[This message has been edited by banana boat (edited 10-14-2002).]
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I bet plane tickets are gonna be cheap to Indo
- Thread starter banana boat
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I know you're just trying to be funny, but people died.....surfers died....show a little respect please........<P><BR>but yes you're right it will make fares cheaper...is that a good thing??....yes....<P>would I rather pay more and not have a bunch of innocent people getting killed ???...Yes<P><BR>and yes I know you were just kidding...<P>jbd
Give it a little time .............<P>r........e........s......p..........e.....c............t.<P>I would have said the same a few days after 9/11 if we were talking about getting a good deal on air fare to NYC....<P>it just seems wrong......to make light of the situation . ...<P><BR>just my .02<P><BR>jbd
Can't say I understand how going to Bali is disrespectful of anyone. If anything it is the other way around. Not going harms the Balinese and achieves what the al Quaeda jackasses are after - fear and disruption.<P>I seriously doubt Bali will see a repeat attack soon. Shoot, we have had only one in the US and we are allegedly at war with these guys.<P>See also:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20021014163030&irec=7" TARGET=_blank>http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaillatestnews.asp?fileid=20021014163030&irec=7</A> <P>Most Japanese tourists go ahead with plans to visit Bali <P>TOKYO (JP): Most Japanese tourists planning to visit Bali went ahead with their plans on Monday, despite Saturday night's bomb blast at a disco there that killed more than 180 people, officials at Japanese travel agencies said. <P>At least 188 people, many of them believed to be Australians, were killed and more than 300, including seven Japanese, were injured in the bombing on the Indonesia's island of the gods, one of the most popular tourist spots in Southeast Asia. <P>A Tokyo travel agency sent employees to Narita airport on Monday to confirm that people on a package tour it had arranged to Bali, leaving on Monday, wanted to go ahead, but none of them canceled the trip, a company spokesman was quoted by Kyodo as saying. <P>"The foreign ministry has not upgraded Bali at this moment," the spokesman said, referring to the ministry's system for rating danger spots worldwide. <P>Nankai Travel International Co., based in Osaka, also said none of its customers had canceled their plans to visit Bali so far. "Whether our customers go there as scheduled or cancel, we would like to provide as much information as possible so they can make an informed decision," a company official said. <P>Kinki Nippon Tourist Co. said most of its customers were leaving for Bali as scheduled, except for four people who canceled their scheduled flights from Nagoya. "They canceled yesterday, but we don't know if the terror attack was the reason," a company official said. <P>
thanks Pepe. and to you oversensitive types, it was not a joke to disrespect the people killed. its a sad situation, and I do wonder how this is going to effect people who are interested in going there.<P>just like after 9/11, that was a very sad situation, but the reality is people DO have to fly, so whether you like it or not, you have to consider the situation
I hope the airfare does go down, and people take advantage of it.<P>The immediate victims are hurt or dead; we can only keep them in our prayers or memories...<P>But some of the people of Bali might just have lost a way out of poverty and despair, courtesy of Al Qaeda. If there was any shred of justification in attacking the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in the name of war, there can be none whatsoever here. I feel for the people of Bali, too, not just the Western tourists.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R3W:<BR><B>Yeah but tragedy = cheap airfare is foul. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree with that but at this point there is nothing we can do about it.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spray92109:<BR><B>If there was any shred of justification in attacking the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in the name of war, there can be none whatsoever here.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hindus who welcome westerners to their island. That's probably ample justification for the people we're dealing with. <P>
perhaps I am oversensitive you're right.<BR>Or perhaps you can't see the under lying humor in the first post.<BR>OR it's one of those e-mail/post things that are always read wrong......and nothing like you intended.<BR>I read a little jest into that's all I was saying...<BR>and I also said I realized you didn't mean it that way I'm sure....<P>Whatever , No problem ......Fly....I'm sure it will be cheaper. <P>jbd<P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spray92109:<BR><B>...If there was any shred of justification in attacking the World Trade Center...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>there was none<BR>
If we alter our travel plans drastically because of potential terrorist activities, then the terrorists are winning the battle.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaxbchdude:<BR><B><BR>OR it's one of those e-mail/post things that are always read wrong......and nothing like you intended.<P>jbd<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>thats probably the case. no prob. I'm not trying to attack anyone, I just don't want to get labeled for doing something that in my opinion I didn't do.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by banana boat:<BR><B>I just don't want to get labeled for doing something that in my opinion I didn't do. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>when you do, or do not do the things you in your opinion supposedly may, or may not have seemingly done, you run the risk of being labelled as such.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Random Guy:<BR><B>
<P>Of course there was none. But the fundamentalist mindset is twisted. Not just the Islamic version, either. So, one might imagine how they might see this as a strategic target to hurt the US. I, for one, cannot fathom how they could justify killing civilians at their desks as being moral, but perhaps they used the familiar notion of "collateral damage", or thought themselves the sword of Allah or something.<P>But a bar in Bali has no strategic or economic connection to the US. This is clearly a simple attack on civilian lives, nothing more. Now, we can clearly see that killing people is clearly and simply their objective, not even a secondary goal.<P>That's what I meant.
And THAT is where I run up against the forces of multiculturalism.<P>We must judge other religions and cultures at some point. Perhaps we can withold that judgment in most cases, but at <I>some</I> point we can't just accept that, within their own cultural and religious context, people are doing nothing wrong.<P>There is no choice if what you write is a reflection on their belief system.<P>Personally, I think that oppressing women is the same: it's not OK just because a certain religion says it is.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by neptune's soldier:<BR><B>I could be mistaken, but in a holy war, if you are not Muslim, you are to be killed.<P>Any Muslims in the house?<P>So, following that creedo, it is a war without boundaries. Non Muslims will be attacked throughout the world.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
If you've ever been to a Muslim country, seen and experienced thier customs, then take those customs to the extreme, you can see why they might target a place like Bali.<P>Most Muslim countries do not allow women, even tourists, to walk around in bikinis or show much skin at all in public. They also will bust you big time if you have any pornographic magazines, even something as innocent (in western eyes) as a mag with a Reef ad will get you busted. Plus the drunken revelry that goes on in most clubs is heavily distained. Take all the hedonistic partying and rituals we partake in and throw them in the face of extremely conservative religious fanatics, and you have the makings of what happened in Bali. It's ignorantly sad, but true.
I would guess that the Indonesian Muslims who are extremists probably have a substantially different mindset than the Arab variety. It would be misguided to assume that the two have the same reasons for doing this kind of thing.<P>Of course the results are the same and there is no possible justification for either.<P>I was wondering today if we will ever see Christian terrorist as violent as the Muslim terrorists. Consider the vast resources at their disposal; could they credibly threaten to level Mecca unless they get what they want?