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Ifallalot

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Surfdog said:
How is your latest CO2 chart (2014) showing India reducing CO2?

India has basically DOUBLED it's CO2 emission in the last 6 years alone.

In your oh so relevant 2003 chart, China went from being UNDER Europe and USA in separate totals (2000), to QUADRUPLING CO2 emissions, actually WELL surpassing Europe AND USA COMBINED.

And this all happened POST Al Gore Inconvenient Truth. I guess China and India didn't see the movie?

All the while, Europe and USA have been reducing overall each year since about 2005, The 3rd world has yet to show ANY reduction in CO2, and still on track to grow by MANY Gigatonnes of CO2 in the next 20-30 years, with at least 1000+ new coal plants, more auto's, more wealth creation, more prosperity in those once dirt soup poor nations in Asia, Africa, Middle East, and South-Centro America.

And to debunk the false narrative that we're "going backwards" on pollution controls, that's not true at all. We're only slowing down the unrealistic reductions that had been bumped up to percentages not economically sustainable in the previous admin. Like the recent changes to emission standards, that many were claiming as "going backward". We've only slowed down the reductions from -5% per yer to -1.5% per year (basically asking for -25% MORE reductions by 2025). With the popularity shift of people wanting/buying SUV's and trucks, outpacing small go-kart econo-autos by millions, there was no way to get an OVERALL fleet average to meet those kind of reductions, without structural integrity (safety) issues (weight/durability/cost). Electric cars are gaining popularity, but no where near what was expected, and forecast to meet EPA goals. They still need to be charged with most often fossil fueled sources. It's like running your electric dryer all night to charge your car each time.

China, India and the emerging 3rd world are still going gangbusters on CO2 emissions, toxic waste pollution (plastics, pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, manufacturing heavy metals, etc) to rivers, land, oceans and air. Their cities look and smell like ours did back in the 1950's/60's when smog was so bad you couldn't see the mountains from Pasadena in LA. I was there in the 60's as a little kid, and you would never know there were mountains there pretty much the entire summer. Some days, summer smog hack was common. My lungs are probably permanently affected living in LA from the smog town 60's/70's/80's. Now, those days are rare, if non-existent.

We've come a long way from then, but the 3rd world is only just beginning that same path. Problem is, their populations count in the BILLIONS. While we have 330 million (sounds like a lot) in the ENTIRE USA, city and rural. China has that many people in their top 15 populated city metros ALONE. Add another 1.1 BILLION to the rest of the country, cities and rural. And this is JUST China. Add India at only slightly less than China's total, 1.37 BILLION (to China's 1.43 billion), that are all looking for new western style prosperity with heating, A/C, meat in diets, electronics, cars/trucks, all the simple things WE take for granted. That's 1/3 of the world population alone. Add the other 3rd world nations looking to acquire those SAME western style conveniences and prosperity.

How's THAT for impacting the global environment the next 20, 30, 80 years?
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But Surfdog, they signed a PAPER in PARIS!!!!
 
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Yes, they signed and pledged. But the pledge has NO teeth to it.

There is NO penalty for not meeting the "agreed" reductions. There's nothing to insure it even happens on time or even well after 2030. It's all a bunch of gladhand-shaking eco-circle jerkng on a BS promise "to try" to meet the goals. China will never meet them. India won't. Brazil won't. Most emerging 3rd world countries won't. 2030 will get here and they'll say "well, we tried. What are you gonna do to us, impose sanctions? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: "

Greta will fume once again. Though by then she'll be in her 20's and living large on New Green book Deals like Al Gore.
 
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Surfdog said:
Yes, they signed and pledged. But the pledge has NO teeth to it.

There is NO penalty for not meeting the "agreed" reductions. There's nothing to insure it even happens on time or even well after 2030. It's all a bunch of gladhand-shaking eco-circle jerkng on a BS promise "to try" to meet the goals. China will never meet them. India won't. Brazil won't. Most emerging 3rd world countries won't. 2030 will get here and they'll say "well, we tried. What are you gonna do to us, impose sanctions? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: "

Greta will fume once again. Though by then she'll be in her 20's and living large on New Green book Deals like Al Gore.
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WTF. Still ignoring the fact that both China and India are doing something about it.

We are not.

Who the fück cares if the agreement is binding or not, they are sticking with it, fact.
 
Ifallalot

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FecalFace said:
Yeah! Look at the China spike, let's sh!t in our own backyard because China is shitting in theirs!

Solid logic, child.

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I should know by know that your cognitive process is so broken that you couldn't understand this but no one is saying to "sh!t in our own backyard"

The point is that the wrong people are being attacked, and honestly, the wrong issue.

See Skully's thread from the other day if you want to see the real problem
 
Ifallalot

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FecalFace said:
WTF. Still ignoring the fact that both China and India are doing something about it.

We are not.

Who the fück cares if the agreement is binding or not, they are sticking with it, fact.
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We are doing something about it and have been for decades

Our pollution rates are steady if not going down why theirs are multiplying
 
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FecalFace said:
WTF. Still ignoring the fact that both China and India are doing something about it.

We are not.

Who the fück cares if the agreement is binding or not, they are sticking with it, fact.
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Not ignoring squat. Look who's been reducing CO2 output, and who's stlll increasing by leaps and bounds.

We have been addressing it, and will continue to do so. Maybe not quite as radically as some extremist propose. That gives the 3rd world more advantage for doing little to nothing, while tying hands behind our back letting them pollute without ANY repercussions.

And no, they aren't sticking with it. They're appeasing with BS to get the UN/IPCC and greens off their backs, but they're still polluting more and more each year, proven. Yet the UN/IPCC turns a blind eye, as they've done the last 30 years of their insane growth. I don't see any reductions in their polluting output WHAT SO EVER, and the facts prove it.

If they were serious, they wouldn't build a single NEW coal fired power plant from this day forward. But no, they have 1000+ lining up to be built world-wide over the next 20-30 years and NO ONE is stopping them. We try to build a single newer tech cleaner coal fired plant and all hell breaks loose like we're the only ones killing the planet. Hypocrisy Now!
 
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afoaf said:
I think that is such a crazy position
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Why?

It is the most sustainable and productive way of producing power. The fear of nuclear is stifling development that would eventually result in some kind of clean storage or even a different way of breaking down the atoms before we figure out fusion

Apparently, the risk of going on with our current methods of power is going to end the world in the next decade, and renewables cannot give us the output we need with our rapidly expanding technological world.

Nuclear is the future. Nuclear will save us
 
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Ifallalot said:
Why?

It is the most sustainable and productive way of producing power. The fear of nuclear is stifling development that would eventually result in some kind of clean storage or even a different way of breaking down the atoms before we figure out fusion

Apparently, the risk of going on with our current methods of power is going to end the world in the next decade, and renewables cannot give us the output we need with our rapidly expanding technological world.

Nuclear is the future. Nuclear will save us
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do you think we could just rocket that sh!t to the sun?

waste disposal and disaster scenarios are a major issue
 
Ifallalot

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afoaf said:
do you think we could just rocket that sh!t to the sun?

waste disposal and disaster scenarios are a major issue
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There are deserts on every continent.

But that obviously unsavory and temporary solution aside, we should be researching and developing things like traveling wave reactors instead of ineffective solar and environment-degrading wind, geothermal, and hydroelectric solutions.

en.wikipedia.org

Traveling wave reactor - Wikipedia

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Ifallalot said:
There are deserts on every continent.

But that obviously unsavory and temporary solution aside, we should be researching and developing things like traveling wave reactors instead of ineffective solar and environment-degrading wind, geothermal, and hydroelectric solutions.

en.wikipedia.org

Traveling wave reactor - Wikipedia

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Talk about social engineering :ROFLMAO:

The TWR thing is interesting however.

I’m sure it’ll be “ineffective” and “environment-degrading” when your handlers decide so.
 
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