Election hearings in the Arizona legislature today 11/30/2020

Mike_Jones

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I wonder if Squidley can please explain why Ford pardoned Nixon after he left office?

Btw Squid/Grom/etc. keep this in mind in the coming weeks:

'After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision that stated that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt"

To exclude idiots like you.
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sizzld1

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I'm going to take that as a no. Here's a brief explanation. See if you can wrap your demented mind around it:

The pardon of Richard Nixon (formally known as Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974. By it, Ford granted to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2] In particular, the pardon covered Nixon's actions during the Watergate scandal
 

afoaf

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You're the one claiming that you can prrosecute Trump for perceived presidential crimes after he leaves office. There is no precedent or law which says that, but somehow according to you I'm the one making fanciful claIms.
the law that says it is the law that says that the crime is a crime

he can be charged for obstruction and witness tampering because those things are
clearly delineated in the legal code as crimes

you're making the claim, without any legal expertise or supporting authority, that a
president cannot be charged after he leaves office.

I have presented you a mountain of legal authorities, including Robert Mueller, who
all say that there is nothing protecting a president from being charged criminally.

I have also linked you to a supreme court ruling that arrives at the same conclusion.

thank you for being an insane retard, you insane fkn retard
 

Mike_Jones

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I'm going to take that as a no. Here's a brief explanation. See if you can wrap your demented mind around it:

The pardon of Richard Nixon (formally known as Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974. By it, Ford granted to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2] In particular, the pardon covered Nixon's actions during the Watergate scandal

In other words Ford precluded answering this question. Good to know, idiot.
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sizzld1

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There is no question retard. Not with legal scholars and coherent individuals anyway. :monkey:

"There is no debate over whether a former president can be indicted for conduct that occurred while in office. In fact, President Gerald Ford, who succeeded Nixon after his resignation, was mindful of this when he granted “a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed.”


Why are you so bad at this?
 

Mike_Jones

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you're making the claim, without any legal expertise or supporting authority, that a
president cannot be charged after he leaves office.

There is no shortage of idiot leftists with liberal axes to grind in our highest institutions. Kagan and Sotamayor are two perfect examples. I don't have to prove that something that's never been done can't be done. You and the thousands of experts in your head have to prove that it can be done.

And you haven't proven sh!t.
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Mike_Jones

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There is no question retard. Not with legal scholars and coherent individuals anyway. :monkey:

"There is no debate over whether a former president can be indicted for conduct that occurred while in office. In fact, President Gerald Ford, who succeeded Nixon after his resignation, was mindful of this when he granted “a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed.”


Why are you so bad at this?

Opinions.
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sizzld1

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No dummy. The default is that everyone is subject to prosecution for their crimes. The constitution can arguably be read to shield a sitting president from indictment and prosecution. After all, if a criminal dipshit like Trump was getting indicted all over the place it would be hard for him to golf do his job. There is no viable argument that the constitution shields an ex-president from prosecution for crimes he committed while in office. That's not an opinion. It's fact. There's no serious debate about it.
 
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Ifallalot

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No dummy. The default is that everyone is subject to prosecution for their crimes. The constitution can arguably be read to shield a sitting president from indictment and prosecution. After all, if a criminal dipshit like Trump was getting indicted all over the place it would be hard for him to golf do his job. There is no viable argument that the constitution shields an ex-president from prosecution for crimes he committed while in office. That's not an opinion. It's fact. There's no serious debate about it.
When people start bringing this stuff up, it's fun to remember your Roman history
 

sussle

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this thread aged like milk. will Arizona might be next up to indict it's fake electors and their handlers?
Investigators have started asking questions about any potential contacts between false electors such as Ward, then-President Trump, and other out-of-state officials and lawyers working on his behalf to steal the election, one of the sources tells Rolling Stone. In recent discussions with possible witnesses and others, some investigators have asked or requested information related to a video — tweeted by the Arizona GOP in December 2020 — where Ward and other Trump allies sign documents falsely claiming to be the state’s legitimate electors.

“They actually have themselves on video doing it,” says one of the people familiar with the stage of the investigation. “It is as if Ward and everyone else were thinking: How do we make this a walk in the park for [the prosecutors]?”
 
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hammies

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Isn't it illegal for an attorney to misrepresent facts or otherwise knowingly tell lies in court? Can't they can get disbarred for doing that?
 
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need 4 speed

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Isn't it illegal for an attorney to misrepresent facts or otherwise knowingly tell lies in court? Can't they can get disbarred for doing that?
As I've heard it told, an extension of the court they can't knowingly "lie" They take a sort of Hippocratic oath
 

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another squidley election fraud thread that ends in indictments for the squidleys :roflmao:
An Arizona grand jury has indicted 18 allies of Donald Trump for their efforts to subvert the 2020 election — including former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and attorneys Rudy Giuliani and Boris Epshteyn.
The indictment, which includes felony counts of conspiracy, fraud and forgery, also describes Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator.