Dear Skeptics— Please tell us your preferred plan

Billy Ocean

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We understand you hate the current reality

what do you think would be a better approach to this situation?

for purposes of discussion, please assume the virus is (A) real, (B) contagious and (C) significantly (ie, at least 5-10x) more deadly than the flu.
 

Clayster

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Oct 26, 2005
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Quarantine the elderly and sick for a month, let the rest of population get on with business, let children go to school, all of which spreads the virus and creates herd immunity, which appears to be the only way to stop it unless a vaccine is developed, which may never happen.
 

PRCD

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Feb 25, 2020
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What's your plan, Billy? Right now, we've heard nothing but indefinite lockdown. Tic toc...
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Duffy LaCoronilla

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Apr 27, 2016
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Quarantine the elderly and sick for a month, let the rest of population get on with business, let children go to school, all of which spreads the virus and creates herd immunity, which appears to be the only way to stop it unless a vaccine is developed, which may never happen.
 

Random Guy

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Jan 16, 2002
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As soon as potential risk identified, prepare for testing at scale
As soon as spread is identified in US, start widespread testing
Isolate positives
Use test data to divert resources ( PPE, medical equipment, people) to areas with outbreaks
Monitor constantly
Adjust as necessary
Leaders providing bipartisan science and data backed messaging and guidance and clearly articulating plans
 

Random Guy

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Given that it’s too late for the timeline I suggested,
Move towards that as quickly as possible
Widespread testing for antibodies as well
Set the antibody positives free, especially health care workers who may require less PPE for covid19 patients
Have leaders at federal level provide realistic timeline and communicate responsibilities
 

VonMeister

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Apr 26, 2013
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JOE BIDENS RAPE FINGER
What is your plan Billy.

Lets assume the models and everything else we've heard and you've repeated about this virus is true.

When does sheltering place in end?

We went from 15 to 30 days, which equals 45. That takes us to May. Is that long enough? Of course not. Why, because when the models proven to be incorrect again and again they move them. This week was supposed to be the peak of the curve in CA, Now it's April 18...Gavin says May 15 now. I'm thinking we're under lockdown until July earliest if the goal is to stay home till it drops.

If we believe you you and the other virus hypesters are saying, if there is one person with active virus, it will be armageddon in a matter of days. ONE PERSON. If we unshelter with one person shedding virus it grows exponentially overnight.

How do we avoid this? What's the plan? Shelter in place until there's a immunization? That's 18 months minimum.

There are ways to mitigate this that aren't what we are doing now.
 

PRCD

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Feb 25, 2020
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Given that it’s too late for the timeline I suggested,
Move towards that as quickly as possible
Widespread testing for antibodies as well
Set the antibody positives free, especially health care workers who may require less PPE for covid19 patients
Have leaders at federal level provide realistic timeline and communicate responsibilities
How many antibody tests shall we run? All 330,000,000 or just a sample? How long will the antibody tests take to manufacture? At what cost? How many people do we need to hire to conduct the tests? How long does it take to get results?
I'm not trying to be argumentative or flippant. I just think the "Lockdown forever" crowd needs to lay their cards on the table. When does this end? How many job losses can we tolerate? How many deaths due to economic collapse can we tolerate?
 
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Autoprax

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Jan 24, 2011
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What is your plan Billy.

Lets assume the models and everything else we've heard and you've repeated about this virus is true.

When does sheltering place in end?

We went from 15 to 30 days, which equals 45. That takes us to May. Is that long enough? Of course not. Why, because when the models proven to be incorrect again and again they move them. This week was supposed to be the peak of the curve in CA, Now it's April 18...Gavin says May 15 now. I'm thinking we're under lockdown until July earliest if the goal is to stay home till it drops.

If we believe you you and the other virus hypesters are saying, if there is one person with active virus, it will be armageddon in a matter of days. ONE PERSON. If we unshelter with one person shedding virus it grows exponentially overnight.

How do we avoid this? What's the plan? Shelter in place until there's a immunization? That's 18 months minimum.

There are ways to mitigate this that aren't what we are doing now.
virus hypesters

Vypsters
 

Uberkuque

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Nov 19, 2014
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We understand you hate the current reality

what do you think would be a better approach to this situation?

for purposes of discussion, please assume the virus is (A) real, (B) contagious and (C) significantly (ie, at least 5-10x) more deadly than the flu.
Quarantine at-risk populations, yet allow natural propagation of herd immunity, w/in confines of our existing medical infrastructure -- i.e., anyone who needs a ventilator gets one

Bascially, allow (otherwise healthy) people to get sick, but they need to get in line so we're not at over capacity in treating it. Which is essentially the goal of flattening the curve