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Freeride, that looks like a loaded back and hamstring stretch to me. Do you practise any other forms of stretching? I get the impression you must surf a lot and like to keep fit with additional training. Could you describe a typical week with how you schedule surfing and training?ever done J curls?
any opinion on them?
No, my blinkered view comes from decades of medical research and publications and years of working with physicians (actual real doctors) who specialize in pain management and injury rehabilitation.Ah, now I know where your blinkered view is coming from. Unlike yourself I have been lucky enough to stumble on a team of practitioners who have successfully fixed me up - with one exception a physio who couldn't resolve a knee problem which another one later succeeded in. He may have been good at fixing other things - I don't know after the problem didn't get better, I stopped going and never went back.
Only for gbg.Wait, RICE is not the go anymore for injuries?
Martial arts, gymnasts etc all need varying levels of range of motion which comes from a degree of static stretching and a degree of performing the movements. This is much different than prescribing stretching or flexibility as a cure for an ailment...because it isn't. This is widely accepted by the medical community that is focuses on these things. There is simply no medical evidence to suggest that pulling on a joint to a subjective point of discomfort to joint angle does anything useful, and plenty of evidence that suggests that it is doing more harm than good. Another good point is, if you go a couple days or so without stretching and lost some range of motion, you probably are OK without it and this would be a good sign that you are hyper extending a joint.
To use an outlier as proof isn't really a good argument. Look at doctors that still prescribe R.I.C.E for injuries...when we know that ice is the last thing you want to apply to an injury to increase tissue healing and NSAIDS to be effective in reducing swelling need to be taken in the range of 8000mg per day, which will cause all sorts of other health issues.
I'm not trying to discount your kids injury but the other side of the coin is, would he have been injured if he had more range of motion? The easy and honest answer is we don't know. But to take it a step further...there's a lot of people on earth who can not touch their toes without bending their knees, me being one of them. I've never had a hamstring injury and I don't have any lower back pain anymore and a large percent of the population haven't either. When I was suffering through persistent lower back pain I was stretching, and being stretched by "professionals" and relief was never significant, lasting, or in anyway able to be directly related to a therapy event.
This leads to my earlier point. How much range of motion is enough. If this is a legitimate medical necessity, there should be a metric to use. There isn't because all studies point to range of motion as being a non issue with respect to injury prevention. Hyper extending joints with static stretching...or to put it simpler, taking a joint beyond its natural range of motion in search of a subjective increase in ROM has been proven to increase injuries.
Short of a severe neurological or structural issue, more often that not range of motion issues are a problem of the mind, not the body. We believe more is better, or accept some subjective points as healthy.
Thanks for that thoughtful reply. If you are a medical researcher then that does add credibility to the things you say. You would be familiar with say the different statistical techniques used for studies and their merits. I don't have those skills so try not to get sucked into too much "internet research". However, just like the physicians you have worked with you are not infallible. Some of us have got fixed by practitioners who you do not consider to be valid.No, my blinkered view comes from decades of medical research and publications and years of working with physicians (actual real doctors) who specialize in pain management and injury rehabilitation.
Medicine evolves. There was a time where persistent lower back pain was a life sentence but we are beyond that now and the treatment has changed and the results have been radical across all age populations and groups. Manual joint and tissue manipulation is a treatment designed to help relieve pain in the moment....treating the symptoms, not the disease. It's not a remedy, cure, or immunization against future pain or injury. Beyond that, because the measured results of manual joint and tissue manipulation treated injuries so poorly over decades we developed an opioid crisis.
When a person is in pain it's very easy to reject critical thinking and grab at the headline that promises a cure. It's a stressful emotional time. The human health and performance is about biology, physics, and chemistry. If you can separate your self from the stress and emotion and just consider what you are being told..... and match that against public data and a good old fashioned biology book. Self directed education has never in history been easier to pursue. If you want to learn how the body works there are tons of good resources and publications out there. The data exists.
Conceptual Physical Science, Hewitt, Suchoki, and Hewitt
Essentials of Human Anatomy and Physiology, Elaine Marieb
The Atlas of Human Anatomy, Frank Netter
Three books that should be in the library of every physician ever and available on Amazon.
Be curious. It's your health.
GWS2, despite the interruptions to your post, it looks well composed to me. I agree with pretty much everything you have said on this thread. Actually there is nothing I disagree with, just the subject of icing after trauma/exertion I don't have an opinion of. I have done it with a bag of frozen peas in the past because I was told to, left to my own devices I haven't bothered after every trauma. I don't know whether it helps or not....
EDIT: I was interrupted during the course of writing the above like ten times. It's probably not going to be as organized or clear as I would like it. My phone won't stop. Later. EDIT: Courtesy of my titanium parts, I have an asymmetrical ROM from one side to the other. If I stretch I can mitigate that. And I run far better when I am closer to the way my body was when I was younger. Most aging athletes have asymmetrical ROM. Stretching helps them stay closer to the way things ran when the original equipment was new.
can u carry 100+ lb dumbells?Hey VM, any bad info in this set?
Top Back Dumbbell Exercises for Better Posture
A guide to posture-correcting dumbbell back exercises, ideal for sedentary workers. Say goodbye to hunchback posture.www.drbodygadget.com
I'm not a fan of dumbbells for strength training, but anything is better than nothing.Hey VM, any bad info in this set?
Top Back Dumbbell Exercises for Better Posture
A guide to posture-correcting dumbbell back exercises, ideal for sedentary workers. Say goodbye to hunchback posture.www.drbodygadget.com
Martial arts you need flexibility for obvious reasons. Contact sports IMO, you need flexibility so when you get forced into a nasty position you bend instead of break. Surfing, as you age, flexibility training will become more and more important for you.
Dude. I'm the proverbial 90 lb weakling (think Rob Machado without the locks and mad surf skills). Whenever I had to do concrete work I would buy the 60lb bags instead of the 90lb bags because the 90 lb bags were a PITA to move around.can u carry 100+ lb dumbells?
In the link I posted the last two- straight leg dumbbell deadlift and dumbbell sumo squat seem good. I liked watching the videos. The straight leg deadlift looks like it would definitely stress the lower back. Not sure I'm ready for that one yet.I'm not a fan of dumbbells for strength training, but anything is better than nothing.
I would say a good way to begin would be to grab a couple dumbbells and hold them up, elbows at your side so they are up around your shoulder. This will mimic a front squat a bit. While it doesn't put much stress on the lower back it's a good place to start. You could also try single leg RDL's with a dumbbell for added resistance. They are relatively safe and you have your free leg acting as a counter weight.
The thing that makes life tricky is over reaction and under reaction are both viable threats.Why can’t a single proponent of stretching, you know dingdong‘s like gbg, articulate how much stretching is necessary or enough? If it’s so necessary or important, especially for health you would think there’s a metric to follow. How could something so supremely important and medically necessary be measured so subjectively with zero dosage or delivery guidance. It’s completely irrational.
If you get stronger doing squats in a safe way, your muscles will get stronger and help protect your back when it is in a compromised position. Muscle fibers don't care what position your body or legs are in and there is no reason to try and train them is a compromised position. Functional training has been completely and throughly debunked.I have a question regarding the back and exercise, specifically the weight training.
In all the tutorials I watched, there were a couple constants I noticed. Keep your back straight. Feet straight ahead or very slightly pointed out. When you squat or deadlift your knees go slightly outwards.
Instead, when I surf my back is curved and my stance is kind of knocked kneed with my feet splayed out (think Mark Richards). I think it's called the valgus position. I tore (or badly sprained) my lcl once getting squashed in a crash tube in that position.
I've been doing squats and now my back is almost 100% pain free with that movement (no weights yet), but after thinking about it, yesterday I decided to squat in my surf stance and- ding ding ding pain alarm!
So what do you do about strength in that valgus position with a rounded back?