In your own words, how could have Trump prevented the pandemic? Just give me a few bullet point actions he could have taken.
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Why strawman me?
Ifal said there were no under reactions.
I cited some of trumps actions as under reactions.
I don't know how you got "Trump could have prevented the pandemic" from that.
These were not the only under reactions.
The left saying restricting flights racist is an other under reaction.
To get a good idea of trumps response to the pandemic, I recommend reading Rage.
Go back and read your own damn post.
You said Trump underreacted. You were asked what a proper reaction (by Trump) would be.
You then said “preventing a pandemic” is how you do it.
I ask how Trump could do that.
You now say brining up Trump is a stawman.
I’m not reading a Woodward propaganda piece. Dude is a lifelong CIA operative.
I said he under reacted.
I never said, trump had the power to prevent it. That is your strawman.
Prevention takes a collective societal effort and a lot or resources.
The idea that the best way to deal with pandemics is preventing pandemics and trump under reacting are not mutually exclusive.
You are conflating.
You always do that.
Woodward interviews trump.
They are Trump's own words.
But you are not interested in broadening your awareness.
You just want to reenforce your frame.
Which I understand.
I feels good to think you are right
Once again, those were pre-Covid so they, by definition, cannot be "reactions"
Trump downplayed the threat because he didn't want to spook the stock market. That was an under reaction.
The Dems calling travel restrictions racist is an under reaction.
blah blah blah
You are beyond hope.
No, Trump acted like every other person had acted for every other seasonal winter illness for the last century.
Beyond that, spooking the stock market has more negative effects on more people than a seasonal illness. So if Trump did what you wanted, it would have ended up being an overreaction
I'll give you some underreactions, like the travel restriction opposition, but even then, those are incredibly minor compared to the overreactions that continue to this day
You said there were no under reactions. Now you changed. Good.
I would tell you to read the book about the Cruise ship in Japan that had the outbreak.
The guy in charge was horrified by how it was handled.
IT's perfect example of gross under reaction.
But I know you don't read
I read
I just don't read naked propaganda that's recommended by someone who likes the books because they confirm his biases
I like when people say something is propaganda before they read it.
That is a sign or a sharp mind.
My bias that I say there were under reactions?
So I want under reactions?
The same way you want over reactions?
Yes, I say both happened, but I am the biased one?
Now you are being ridiculous.
No, we've moved on from under/overreactions to your larger worldviewI like when people say something is propaganda before they read it.
That is a sign or a sharp mind.
My bias that I say there were under reactions?
So I want under reactions?
The same way you want over reactions?
Yes, I say both happened, but I am the biased one?
Now you are being ridiculous.
A talented writer could make a routine cruise ship norovirus outbreak seem like it was the apocalypse as well
It's been well-documented since the beginning that you believe covid was worthy of most of the responses, even if you do concede there were overreactions.
You just don’t read anything that doesn’t fit your narrow world view.
you’re one of the bigger victims of propaganda here.
Wouldn't common sense dictate reading an article before you say it's biased?
You're talking about an article? I thought you were talking about a whole book. I read fast, but a whole book is still a time commitment
However, you can usually attribute the biases of the person making the suggestion to the article itself. You know as well as I do we enjoy and recommend things that stoke our personal biases
One key issue I remember Covid playing out worldwide, was that the 1st world was having dramatically larger death rate ratios than most of the 3rd world nations, even months and years into it.
I initially thought that once it spread more to the 3rd world, it would blow up in those nations. But it NEVER did. Why?
African, Middle East nations with many millions per country aren't even close to 1st world nations death ratios.
A small fraction.
Nigeria for one instance (with a 216 million pop.), has only 15 deaths per 1 million people.
Pakistan with 229 million has 134 deaths per million.
Even India, with 1.4 billion has only 379 deaths per million.
Most of Europe nations and USA have 2000 to over 3000 deaths per million.
Many South and Latin America countries also have 2000-3000 deaths per million, too.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
One theory I had, was the wide spread usage of central AC/heating in most of the 1st world. It seemed Covid spread at much higher rates in enclosed, climate controlled environments (without excessive filtration). Senior homes and other similar enclosed living environments (dense high rise) where central AC/heating was used almost non-stop. Even with all masked up (when around others, at least).
Just a theory, but at the time it seemed like those conditions had the highest spreads and death rate ratios, while 3rd world basically escaped Covid in 2020, 2021 and onward.
I initially thought that once it spread more to the 3rd world, it would blow up in those nations. But it NEVER did. Why?
African, Middle East nations with many millions per country aren't even close to 1st world nations death ratios.
A small fraction.
Nigeria for one instance (with a 216 million pop.), has only 15 deaths per 1 million people.
Pakistan with 229 million has 134 deaths per million.
Even India, with 1.4 billion has only 379 deaths per million.
Most of Europe nations and USA have 2000 to over 3000 deaths per million.
Many South and Latin America countries also have 2000-3000 deaths per million, too.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
One theory I had, was the wide spread usage of central AC/heating in most of the 1st world. It seemed Covid spread at much higher rates in enclosed, climate controlled environments (without excessive filtration). Senior homes and other similar enclosed living environments (dense high rise) where central AC/heating was used almost non-stop. Even with all masked up (when around others, at least).
Just a theory, but at the time it seemed like those conditions had the highest spreads and death rate ratios, while 3rd world basically escaped Covid in 2020, 2021 and onward.
because they don't have a lot of elderly people?
average age for COVID fatality was 83 but in Africa... "life expectancy—or the number of years an individual is in a good state of health—increased to 56 years in 2019"
Healthy life expectancy in Africa rises by almost ten years
Healthy life expectancy in the African region has increased on average by 10 years per person between 2000 and 2019, a World Health Organization (WHO) assessment reports. This rise is greater than in any other region of the world during the same period. The report also notes that the disruptive...
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Both the "no HVAC" and the "lower life expectancy" theories for why COVID didn't wreak carnage on the populations of 3rd world countries have equal validity.
That is, they are both purely speculative. I suspect that in both cases people with an agenda can find some data somewhere to support but not prove their respective hypothesis, but the real reason may never be known.
That is, they are both purely speculative. I suspect that in both cases people with an agenda can find some data somewhere to support but not prove their respective hypothesis, but the real reason may never be known.