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casa_mugrienta

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Australia socialist, lol.

we just have free health care- it's fcuking titts.
Looks like it has problems just like everywhere else on the planet.



 

waxfoot

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Looks like it has problems just like everywhere else on the planet.



I don't think anyone claimed a system is perfect ;)
Also, you have a choice - you can also go entirely private. Choice goood.
 

freeride76

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When my back was fcuked this year I went to a public hospital, said I want to see a neurosurgeon, and waited.

6 hrs later I had a medical opinion from a top-class specialist.

It cost me 20 bucks in fuel and a pie from the servo.

edit: he also scheduled me in for a free follow-up consultation, which thankfully I didn't need.
 

Duffy LaCoronilla

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Many hands make light work - we all chip in so that we all can benefit, its not hard to wrap your head around. You shouldn't go broke, just to be healthy.

L5 / S1 spinal fusion to fix my back. Operated on by the head of nurosurgery in Brisbane Mater hospital. Own room in top class neurosurgery unit with world class care.

All I paid for, was $20 for painkillers when I left the hospital.
That isn’t all you paid.

BTW, for me C4/5 and C6/7…

…Steroid and stem cell injections, no surgery. No neck problems in the 3 years since.

Out of pocket $300 to buy the doctor and his girlfriend dinner.
 

Duffy LaCoronilla

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When my back was fcuked this year I went to a public hospital, said I want to see a neurosurgeon, and waited.

6 hrs later I had a medical opinion from a top-class specialist.

It cost me 20 bucks in fuel and a pie from the servo.

edit: he also scheduled me in for a free follow-up consultation, which thankfully I didn't need.
It cost you more than that.
 

Aruka

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Duffy get real. The US healthcare system is one of the worst among developed nations and AUS is one of the best.

We pay more than anyone and have outcomes that are near the bottom.

But at least it makes a lot of rich people even richer, so thats nice.
 

Mr J

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We did a few BASE boards for LSD in the past. My personal opinion is that by the time you had bought a blank in the U.S., paid me to cut it, paid your approved/trained scrubber to scrub it and then paid a glass shop to glass it and then had your rep (or me, unpaid) deal with delivery to the customer, there really couldn't have been much left. I liked the concept but the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze.
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I didn't know they had overseas licensing until I read Sharkbiscuit's post about owning a BASE S. Anderson.

If that was how it was done in the US then quite different to what was set up in Aus. I was looking at surfwhere's wayback archive link and they had 3 retail shops and one factory (I presume doing the complete construction process in house, although I don't know that).
 

Mr J

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... Australia more socialist than US. Thailand government not so nice....
I don't think that's what Maurice Cole meant. From that early swellnet article it seems his vision was to have shapers supporting each other instead of competing with each other and provide a path for up and coming shapers. So maybe not the right word, but we can get an idea of what he wanted - a left community. Perhaps anarchy would have been a better choice of word - original meaning is not chaos, but a left community not ruled by some central authority. However, as you said such semantics is for the politics forum!
 
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Duffy LaCoronilla

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correct.

My taxes fund a universal health care system- best use of taxpayers money evah.

Lets hope you Seppo cnuts don't descend too far into dysfunction or we'll have to spend more on our military to keep China at bay.
And there you have it.

We pay to keep you safe.

You’re welcome.
 

casa_mugrienta

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Duffy get real. The US healthcare system is one of the worst among developed nations and AUS is one of the best.

We pay more than anyone and have outcomes that are near the bottom.

But at least it makes a lot of rich people even richer, so thats nice.
LOL you haven't got a clue. :roflmao: Not even close. :crazy2:

But keep regurgitating whatever you hear from the journalists who support your confirmation bias.

The outcomes don't lie:


Every healthcare system in the developed world has serious inefficiencies.

Lifestyles and health-seeking behaviors of the population make a huge difference too.

No doubt, the system in this country is stupid, absurd, and inefficient on multiple levels.

But in no way is it "the worst among developed nations." That is some funny-ass sh!t. :roflmao: IYKYK.
 
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estreet

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I don't think that's what Maurice Cole meant. From that early swellnet article it seems his vision was to have shapers supporting each other instead of competing with each other and provide a path for up and coming shapers. So maybe not the right word, but we can get an idea of what he wanted - a left community. Perhaps anarchy would have been a better choice of word - original meaning is not chaos, but a left community not ruled by some central authority. However, as you said such semantics is for the politics forum!
It sounded to me like the basic plan behind collaboration was to reduce costs so that they might effectively compete with cheap Asian production. The organization would be socialist to whatever degree it was able to reduce class friction, such as everyone owning a share in it, from the CEO to the guy that sweeps the floors.
 
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Aruka

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LOL you haven't got a clue. :roflmao: Not even close. :crazy2:

But keep regurgitating whatever you hear from the journalists who support your confirmation bias.

The outcomes don't lie:


Every healthcare system in the developed world has serious inefficiencies.

Lifestyles and health-seeking behaviors of the population make a huge difference too.

No doubt, the system in this country is stupid, absurd, and inefficient on multiple levels.

But in no way is it "the worst among developed nations." That is some funny-ass sh!t. :roflmao: IYKYK.
My comment was not an attack on anyone, such as yourself, who works within the US system.

I don't think just looking at outcomes for specific illnesses is the best way to judge a system as a whole but even according to your link we rank below AUS in many of those outcome categories.

And yet we pay more than twice as much per person as AUS does.

The leading cause of bankruptcy in our country is medical debt. If that isn't an indictment on our system, I don't know what is.

Here's where we rank when we look at our health care "system" as a system:
 

casa_mugrienta

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My comment was not an attack on anyone, such as yourself, who works within the US system.

I don't think just looking at outcomes for specific illnesses is the best way to judge a system as a whole but even according to your link we rank below AUS in many of those outcome categories.
And well above many others.

We're basically top tier when it comes to outcomes.

Outcomes are a HUGE part of the equation. You can have cheap care and all of the above, but without outcomes it's irrelevant.

I read something like 50% of Australians have private health insurance and private additional coverage too. One would reason that there's some degree of dissatisfaction with the system if this is the case. I could be wrong.

And yet we pay more than twice as much per person as AUS does.
You're saying we're "one of the worst among developed nations" because we're so expensive.

That's like saying a business that provides excellent service is the worst in town because they're too expensive.

I agree, it's too expensive.

But you can't ignore the fact we provide top tier healthcare. That's significant.

The leading cause of bankruptcy in our country is medical debt. If that isn't an indictment on our system, I don't know what is.
The amount of Americans that filed for bankruptcy with medical bills being a partial contributor, per year, literally stands at 0.001%. If you go by Bernie Sander's numbers. The more likely number is .0001%. This per the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/28/sanderss-flawed-statistic-medical-bankruptcies-year/

Here's where we rank when we look at our health care "system" as a system:
As far as the links you posted - the widely varying locations every country sits in the rankings, based on what website was doing the rankings (or political stance of the think tank), demonstrates you can use all sorts of metrics to judge healthcare.

And you'll see many don't want to include outcomes.

The reality with EVERY developed system is you will find someone that has had incredible experiences and someone that has had awful experiences.

There are also way more complexities to healthcare delivery here vs Australia and most developed countries.
 

Aruka

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you ozzies see what I have to deal with? lol

i disagree with some of my fellow countrymen but i'm going to stop engaging now since this isn't the political forum and i have a feeling i'm already on thin ice with our beloved mod subway.