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Bolton book: Trumby directly tied Ukraine aid to investigations into political rivals.
- Thread starter hal9000
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Absolutley
Career government employees are only one step above the homeless for uselessness
Idiot doesn’t know the senate proceedings are a trial, and not an appeal from the house impeachment proceedings.
because he’s dumb and never paid attention in school.
That's what the courts are for. Just because they object to the obvious delay doesn't make it obstruction to attempt to use it.
This kind of thing happens every day in our legal system.
As I understand it the basis is executive privilege, which the House has no right to unilaterally rule on. Like it or not it goes to the courts.
"I am rejecting this demand on xxx grounds - see you in court" happens every day in our legal system and it is not charged as obstruction.
yep that’s the one that puts the executive branch above the law.
something the trump groupies screeched against. Funny how that drain the swamp thing suddenly doesn’t look so great to them.
Ok. Let me respond to this once again.
Trump did not claim executive privilege. If he had, he would have had to identify with particularity which specific conversations could not be disclosed —I.e., were privileged. This winnows the process, resulting in a shorter timeframe to resolution.
Trump claimed absolute immunity. Every conversation could be kept secret, no matter if it related to privileged material or not! There was no good faith basis for such a ridiculous claim. The concept of “absolute immunity”for the executive simply does not exist. It would have, and indeed its entire purpose, was to embroil the courts in litigation for months, if not years.
And, here, time was of the essence. The reason? Because trump was trying to influence the 2020 election. There was testimony from multiple witnesses that they understood trump to be asking for a false investigation and announcement in the run up to 2020. He wanted to create a “Hillary’s emails” 2.0 — this time, Biden and Burisma! Mulvaney said so! And there has been no — zero, zip, zilch, nada — evidence showing otherwise. And now, Bolton says yes, it’s true.
That’s why, in those circumstances, the house’s failure to litigate “absolute immunity”does not undermine the legitimacy of the proceedings.
So because it was an emergency that's why the House had no choice but to bypass their legal remedy and to levy an obstruction allegation for a problem they created for themselves?
Try harder. Because that's not how our legal system works. Motions to dismiss warrants and their proceeds over various errors and technicalities get used every day. Trials over murder allegations usually take place many months and even 2 and 3 years after the arrest as a result of the various legal maneuverings. Running the clock is a perfectly legal play in our legal system, and defendants don't get stacked with obstruction charges as a result of mounting the vigorous defense.
The burden of proof is on the State, not the accused.
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hal9000 said:
According to whom? Bolton's "book" has not been released. If true, who in Ukraine, did Trump make this deal with? When? It wasn't during the call with Zelensky.....you know, the one when you previously said it happened.
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You're ignoring that whole "the House of Representatives have the sole authority over impeachment" constitution thing.
The courts don't have authority once the House begins impeachment proceedings. This is settled law.