Preventable: Marjory Stoneman Douglas Shooter Nikolas Cruz Asked For Help, But The School 'Didn't Follow Through'

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This is the Florida shooting where the school resource officer and three sheriff's deputies stayed outside cowering while the shooter murdered students. The school district and the sheriff later supported their officers' actions.

Preventable: Marjory Stoneman Douglas Shooter Nikolas Cruz Asked For Help, But The School 'Didn't Follow Through'

8/6/2018
It’s been six months since Nikolas Cruz, a highly disturbed individual, shot and killed 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. It sparked another round in the gun control wars—and another round that saw liberal gain ground thanks to pro-NRA governors caving to anti-gun mobs; Governors Rick Scott and Phil Scott of Florida and Vermont respectively enacted new gun laws, specifically raising the age to purchase to 21, which is grossly unconstitutional. The NRA is challenging that provision of Florida’s law right now. Yet, that’s the tragedy of this incident. Liberals were quick to blame the NRA for the shooting. The CNN town hall was a total disaster, with every shrieking anti-gun liberal frothing at the mouth. Yet, it served as a reminder that liberals hate gun owners, the NRA, Republicans, rural America, and any person who doesn’t fall in line with their philosophy. Over time, the truth came out. This was a preventable shooting if local, state, and federal law enforcement officials hadn’t dropped the ball. The FBI was given two tips and they did nothing. State officials did nothing. And local officials did… nothing. So, how is this the fault of the NRA, The GOP, and rural America? It’s not. But liberals are emotional head cases, so it shouldn’t shock us once again that they’re completely and utterly wrong, especially when it comes to gun policy. Now, we know that Cruz had requested help, but the school “didn’t follow through” (via Daily Beast):
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In Cruz’s junior year, after he had already begun exhibiting behavior so disturbing it led to guidance counselors wanting to have him committed, the teenager sat down with education specialists to discuss his options for further schooling. He was told he could transfer to Cross Creek, a school tailored for students with special needs; sue the Broward school district; or stay at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School without any special counseling. According to a review of that meeting featured in the new report, school officials left out one crucial fact: Cruz was still entitled to special assistance at Stoneman Douglas if he chose to stay.

Being unaware of this option, however, Cruz—whose developmental delays were flagged at age 3—was reportedly stripped of counseling services and left to fend for himself as a “regular student.”

Months later, when Cruz changed his mind and sought to transfer to Cross Creek, the school district “did not follow through,” according to the report.
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On top of this, let’s rehash. In 2016, Cruz started cutting himself after he broke up with his girlfriend. That alone should have had him committed via Baker Act. This would have shown up on a background check, which very well could have prevented him from buying the AR-15 rifle days after he was expelled from Marjory Stoneman in February of 2017. What about local law enforcement? Well, they only responded to some 40+ calls to Cruz’s home, some of which included allegations that he had pointed guns to people’s heads. Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel has come under scrutiny for his ‘thank God for me’ attitude and seeming inability to take responsibility for his department’s shortfalls in this matter; he said he’s exhibited top-notch leadership. His deputies refused to enterthe building where Cruz was killing students. Broward County Deputy Scot Peterson, the school’s resource officer, was placed on unpaid leave when security footage. He opted to retire instead, while also hitting back on allegations of cowardice. It hasn’t gotten better; another deputy working security detail for the school was suspended for sleeping on the job last spring. The leniency policy in education under the Obama administration didn’t help either. The point is that the we have more evidence that this tragedy was easily preventable if those who were suppose to protect the general public had done their jobs.
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kidfury

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The people he lived with were gun nuts. They knew he was into guns. Problem is, they were into guns too. Problem is, being into guns is not considered to be a problem.I wonder if they still have guns.
I worry about people like you, squid. When are you gonna snap?
 

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Your cut/paste has little to do with your statement.

School districts fck over families with kids with special needs everyday. You can point in any direction to find fault with why this kid became a mass murderer.
 

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I applaud you for citing such an unbiased and even-handed news source.
 

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These kids love to drain resources.

Whatever tact you take to help them they shift.

I deal with it all the time.

There is a problem; I try to address it.

Then the kid pivots and creates another problem.

This is so draining and stops you from doing your real job of teaching the kids who are willing to learn.

The trend to make teachers use "Positive discipline" just allows the kid to drain more resources.
 

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Autoprax said:
These kids love to drain resources.

Whatever tact you take to help them they shift.

I deal with it all the time.

There is a problem; I try to address it.

Then the kid pivots and creates another problem.

This is so draining and stops you from doing your real job of teaching the kids who are willing to learn.

The trend to make teachers use "Positive discipline" just allows the kid to drain more resources.
You are missing what the real problem is and addressing the flags the kid is waving. Who is wasting resources?
Negative discipline usually gives the kid what he is used to and he repeats to get what he knows. Be smarter and not reactive.
 

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Here is the issue I have with positive discipline, it implies that I'm not using it in the first place.

Most good teachers use "positive discipline" all the time. And it works on 98% of the kids.

It doesn't work on some kids. They see it as weakness. To deny this is delusional.

Some kids you have to put on a little heat and it calms them right down.

Really good teachers learn how to manage affect tactically.

Some teachers are stupid and don't know how to relate to the kids.

Some kids nothing works on.

Some kids are fvcked up beyond repair and expecting the teacher to fix what no one else has fixed using "positive discipline" is insanity.

I get frustrated that people who are not doing my job think they know how to do my job better than I do.
 

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Autoprax said:
Here is the issue I have with positive discipline, it implies that I'm not using it in the first place.

Most good teachers use "positive discipline" all the time. And it works on 98% of the kids.

It doesn't work on some kids. They see it as weakness. To deny this is delusional.

Some kids you have to put on a little heat and it calms them right down.

Really good teachers learn how to manage affect tactically.

Some teachers are stupid and don't know how to relate to the kids.

Some kids nothing works on.

Some kids are fvcked up beyond repair and expecting the teacher to fix what no one else has fixed using "positive discipline" is insanity.

I get frustrated that people who are not doing my job think they know how to do my job better than I do.
You’re probably not the right person to handle certain kids

It all comes down to money

Administrators want to push mainstreaming to save $

That’s what it’s all about
 

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Nothing works 100% of the time.
Some kids see positive discipline as a weakness, yes, usually kids from a difficult up bringing. If you substitute the word discipline for strict clear structure. You get out of the negative zone.

Really good teachers learn to give a kid what they need and not blame them. So many bitchy teachers blaming kids. The roles are clear; once they get murky the situation goes bad.

Positive discipline is no save all or cure all. Just another tool, a preferred tool in creating a better environment.

Some kids are unteachable: emotionally unavailable, intellectually unavailable, uninterested... so what, it is part of the human condition. Unfortunate and a waste... it is. In time they will change -faith.

I get frustrated with schools/teachers who forget about the students. Who throw certain kids under the bus by teaching to the curriculum not to the student.
 

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heelnipstr said:
Your cut/paste has little to do with your statement.

School districts fck over families with kids with special needs everyday. You can point in any direction to find fault with why this kid became a mass murderer.

I believe the average reader is not half as stupid as you portray him to be. But isn't that the way with leftists, thinking people need them to get up in the morning. The sentiment of my opening statement is, in fact, included in the final paragraph of the subject article.

The real problem? You gun grabbers are attempting to get people to voluntarily disarm themselves in favor of placing their self-protection and the protection of their families in the hands of authorities. The problem happens when leftists like you take over our institutions. "Authorities" cease to be authorities, and start being mere authority figures. They stop protecting people, and stop keeping bad people from doing bad things to people. Don't tell me it can't happen. It happened in Broward County Florida. It happened in the congresswoman shooting in Arizona.

You idiots need to crawl back into the holes you crawled out of.
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squidley said:
heelnipstr said:
Your cut/paste has little to do with your statement.

School districts fck over families with kids with special needs everyday. You can point in any direction to find fault with why this kid became a mass murderer.

I believe the average reader is not half as stupid as you portray him to be. But isn't that the way with leftists, thinking people need them to get up in the morning. The sentiment of my opening statement is, in fact, included in the final paragraph of the subject article.

The real problem? You gun grabbers are attempting to get people to voluntarily disarm themselves in favor of placing their self-protection and the protection of their families in the hands of authorities. The problem happens when leftists like you take over our institutions. "Authorities" cease to be authorities, and start being mere authority figures. They stop protecting people, and stop keeping bad people from doing bad things to people. Don't tell me it can't happen. It happened in Broward County Florida. It happened in the congresswoman shooting in Arizona.

You idiots need to crawl back into the holes you crawled out of.
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Thank you Squid for stepping up:
Now this is an example of a situation where positive discipline will resolve the issue.

Squid you are loved. Everything will be ok and you are safe.
Have a Great Day!
 

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Duffy said:
Any word yet on who swatted David Hogg’s house?
I googled it and did not see that the perpetrator was publicly identified. No one was injured, which would likely make it a low priority for police. Interestingly, your decísion to distrust Mr. Hogg is a mild form of swatting, if you will. It’s obvious that you envy his goodness and notoriety.