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- Thread starter TRI FINS ARE DANGEROUS
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Gee Dubb, the first bonzer ever done with removable fins was with lokbox about 3 years ago at moonlight. I cleared it with malcolm because I had the ability to have glass bonzer fins made. At the time, he told me he was a little worried about it because he felt that people were already confused by bonzers, and felt moving the fins would confuse them further. I went ahead and did it anyway, and had the board on display in our tradeshow booth in san diego. Malcolm was impressed, as was pinliner who both showed up at the show. Bonzers with lokbox are a custom thing, as sales for bonzers are not high enough to warrant my company developing a mold for plastic bonzer fins. Red-x went a step further and developed the plastic fins(they have an in house molding facility hence their wide array of composite plastic fins). Lokboxes install on the foam, or before hotcoat on bottom, and do not effect the deck in any way. Your deck will crush the same way as it would with glass-ons, so make appropriate glassing schedule as you normally do. Personally I feel the bonzer is already such a custom thing, that glass fins would just compliment it, however red-x has done a nice job with their plastic bonzer fins. As lokbox continues to grow, we may consider doing a mold for them.
If you decide you would like to have a lokbox bonzer, just make sure it says so on your order card, and the board goes to moonlight. I will personally install your boxes to get the angles spot on, and I'll throw you a set of free boxes, and a glass bonzer set at my cost for your continued contributions on this board! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> You will then have the ability to adjust your side fins 1/2 inch forward and back, as well as switch templates i.e. barracuda bonzers that run $40.00 per set! The center fin is in a regular 8.5 inch fins unlimited box(not a lokbox), installed with black resin to match side boxes. Let me know what you think, and send me p.m. with your thoughts!
Mahalo's...JJR
[ November 22, 2003, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: JJR ]
If you decide you would like to have a lokbox bonzer, just make sure it says so on your order card, and the board goes to moonlight. I will personally install your boxes to get the angles spot on, and I'll throw you a set of free boxes, and a glass bonzer set at my cost for your continued contributions on this board! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> You will then have the ability to adjust your side fins 1/2 inch forward and back, as well as switch templates i.e. barracuda bonzers that run $40.00 per set! The center fin is in a regular 8.5 inch fins unlimited box(not a lokbox), installed with black resin to match side boxes. Let me know what you think, and send me p.m. with your thoughts!
Mahalo's...JJR
[ November 22, 2003, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: JJR ]
Let's tackle this deck crushing thing. Let's try some extra sturdy patches. Carbon strips or some of that trippy silver chemical-X stuff we have a sample of?
How are your decks usually glassed?
Decks crushed by feet? Knees? Butt?
How are your decks usually glassed?
Decks crushed by feet? Knees? Butt?
Lol @ butt.
Feet. Both front and back. A 4/4 deck I will kill in a little over a month. A 6/4 will go 4-6 months and then I will have to reinforce it over the stringer where the glass has started to split. I had a 6/6 S-glass that held up pretty well, but the board was too heavy for my liking. This is one of the reasons why I rotate between five differnt boards for small waves. It seems to spread the damage out a bit and they stay with me longer. On the downside, I switch boards about every 2nd day. What I was thinking about this time was measuring one of my old 6’7” or 6’8” boards and figuring where the foot wells will be. Then have you guys throw a couple of small 6 patches (which would correspond to foot placement) over a 6/4 or maybe even a 4/4 deck. I’m hoping that will tighten things up without adding all that much weight.
Viable?
[ November 22, 2003, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: GWS ]
Feet. Both front and back. A 4/4 deck I will kill in a little over a month. A 6/4 will go 4-6 months and then I will have to reinforce it over the stringer where the glass has started to split. I had a 6/6 S-glass that held up pretty well, but the board was too heavy for my liking. This is one of the reasons why I rotate between five differnt boards for small waves. It seems to spread the damage out a bit and they stay with me longer. On the downside, I switch boards about every 2nd day. What I was thinking about this time was measuring one of my old 6’7” or 6’8” boards and figuring where the foot wells will be. Then have you guys throw a couple of small 6 patches (which would correspond to foot placement) over a 6/4 or maybe even a 4/4 deck. I’m hoping that will tighten things up without adding all that much weight.
Viable?
[ November 22, 2003, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: GWS ]
Sharky, I was gonna suggest something 'till you mentioned the weight thing! Light but strong...reminds me of "jumbo shrimp" or "military intellegence"! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Not likely! But there are some alternatives. I'd start with the blank! I've had good results with a stronger blank and lighter glass. Malcolm usually uses stronger blanks, but you might talk with him, and check the next strenght up from what you've been using. Otherwise, i'd go with the extra patches where your dentin' 'em real bad! I like the beefed up locally theory! Doesn't add much weight, and helps with those pesky problem areas tooo![I kill my decks as well]! I also like the extra strip down the stringer. This saves you a big headache when the blank starts denting next to the stringer! Here's a photo of the deck on my bonzer after 15 sessions!
<img src="http://momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l59862.jpg" alt=" - " />
Holding up great! With an all 4oz glassjob to boot! I'm stoked on that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
<img src="http://momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l59862.jpg" alt=" - " />
Holding up great! With an all 4oz glassjob to boot! I'm stoked on that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JJR:
<strong>Sharky, I was gonna suggest something 'till you mentioned the weight thing! Light but strong...reminds me of "jumbo shrimp" or "military intellegence"! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Not likely! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn’t that the truth? Everything is a compromise. I have a running joke with Malcolm. He asks me what I want “this time” and I tell him:
I want an ultra light, ultra strong stick that paddles like a 12’6” but turns like a 5’6”. I want it to be ultra drivey and ultra loose and I want it to be able to surf 2-20 feet.
Is that too much to ask?
<strong>Sharky, I was gonna suggest something 'till you mentioned the weight thing! Light but strong...reminds me of "jumbo shrimp" or "military intellegence"! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Not likely! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn’t that the truth? Everything is a compromise. I have a running joke with Malcolm. He asks me what I want “this time” and I tell him:
I want an ultra light, ultra strong stick that paddles like a 12’6” but turns like a 5’6”. I want it to be ultra drivey and ultra loose and I want it to be able to surf 2-20 feet.
Is that too much to ask?
There are many different ways to fix your deck problems. The problem is, most require some tomfoolery in the glassing process. I had a single fin that I loved, but wanted the next one to be lighter. I was afraid that I would just destroy the deck, so I did what is called a "dry patch" layup. Glassed with 1 layer of 4oz top and bottom, then came back with the second 4oz deck layer with a second batch of resin. What this accomplishes is minimal lam resin in and between the layers. I know the laminator, so He did me the favor. I beat that thing down for 6 months, and had no delams, but it had some substantial dents. You may just want to add the extra patches where you need them. Seems like your best bet! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
tfad,
naw i live in florida. i dont know of any glass houses, as most places do there stuff in house. also i just figured while i was so close i wouldve liked to check it out. if its a hassel ill try and just scratch up some money some way or another. but its tought when ur trying to buy a car, a trip to cali. and make a new shortboard. but ill try and scrap some moeny together if its such a biggy. but ill be sure to let u know when im coming up. is there a better number to order ma bonzer at, not like malcoms grandmas hosue or anything just one where someone will pick up the dam* phone.
thanks
dk
oh and as for lokbox bonzer fins, can a shaper buy those somewhere. anyweb sites or #'s u could give me would be appreciated
naw i live in florida. i dont know of any glass houses, as most places do there stuff in house. also i just figured while i was so close i wouldve liked to check it out. if its a hassel ill try and just scratch up some money some way or another. but its tought when ur trying to buy a car, a trip to cali. and make a new shortboard. but ill try and scrap some moeny together if its such a biggy. but ill be sure to let u know when im coming up. is there a better number to order ma bonzer at, not like malcoms grandmas hosue or anything just one where someone will pick up the dam* phone.
thanks
dk
oh and as for lokbox bonzer fins, can a shaper buy those somewhere. anyweb sites or #'s u could give me would be appreciated
Dk, don't trip bro, me and TFAD are just givin' you a hard time. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> I'm sure you can come by moonbase to check out the operation! Bonzer fins come from rainbow fin co. 831-728-2998 C-ya
I just meant you should try to get a job at your local glass shop. Good work for a young lad. Better than werkin' at the mall.
haha thanks fellas. actually i really would if there was one. but i live an hour from the beach, and theres only 2 other dudes that make boards here in my town.emphasis on my <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> .sweet thanks for the info on the fins. im thrilled about the trip to cal. i called up my cousin and i think im gonna be there for 2 weeks. whats the best shortboard spot around?? ill be stayin in sd which i think is pretty close to u guys. cant wait to score soem good waves, actually today i scored soem good waves. i was all bummed about not being able to bring my longboard for one last ride befor i sell her and then i got there and a swell had arrived, and tehre was barrels to be had. u guys rock
dk
dk
i figure u guys are the right guys to ask, but what are u using in resin tints. ive heard its not pigments, but opaques maybe. where can i find this at, and whats an easier color to learn with. i looked in swaylock, and slim to none in the archives about it, thanks
dk
dk