20% of Trump supporters think freeing the slaves was a bad idea.....

[hal9000]

http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-share-article&utm_content=20181007

but... but.... but.......PARTY OF LINCOLN!!!!

The Times found that nearly 20% of Trump supporters did not approve of freeing the slaves, according to a January YouGov/Economist poll that asked respondents if they supported or disapproved of “the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government”—Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation.

 

[test_article]

but...but...but...…..PARTY OF BENJAMIN HARRISON.

 

[FecalFace]

That's the same 20% that elected Trump.

80 thousand people made the decision for 315 million.

Yay EC.

 

[the janitor]

http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-share-article&utm_content=20181007

but... but.... but.......PARTY OF LINCOLN!!!!

The Times found that nearly 20% of Trump supporters did not approve of freeing the slaves, according to a January YouGov/Economist poll that asked respondents if they supported or disapproved of “the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government”—Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation.

Interesting. I read the NYT article, which was hilariously brief, then looked at the two polls the NYT cited. I'm having trouble corroborating the claim, can you show me where the data substantiates your claim, maybe I missed it:

The Economist/YouGov Poll
Sample 2000 General Population Respondents
Conducted January 15 - 19, 2016
Margin of Error ± 2.9%

pretty sure page 16 is the relevant one here https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ctucuikdsj/econToplines.pdf

Public Policy Polling - February 16, 2016

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PPP_Release_SC_21616.pdf

 

[Billy Ocean]

Dems are scared of losing the black vote so you will see more of this lame propaganda

Black dudes be like “whaaaa?” over this fake rape stuff with Kav

They know what that’s all about

Plus, blacks see that dems really want illegal immigrants to compete with poor Americans and drive down wages

All it takes is a few extra % of blacks to flip to GOP and dems can never win a national election

 

[Autoprax]

You doing that Gross Dad thing where you read people's mind wrong.

Read mine right now.

Hint, I'm thinking about your level of intelligence.

It's a two syllable word.

The first syllable rhymes with cum. The second pee.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

hal the race baiter

taking over for frvcvs?

 

[GWS]

I was moving fast, but I looked up the two year old Economist/YouGov poll sighted as a source and what I found was the following:

49. Do you approve or disapprove of the executive order which Freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government

Approve strongly 53%
Approve somewhat 17%
Disapprove somewhat 8%
Disapprove strongly 5%
Not sure 17%


Target population for this two year old pool was ---------> U.S. citizens, aged 18 and over. NOT Trump supporters.

Sampling method: Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in Internet panel using sample matching. A RANDOM SAMPLE stratified by age, gender, race, education, and region) was selected from the 2010 American Community Study. Voter registration was imputed from the November 2010 Current Population Survey Registration and Voting Supplement. Religion, political interest, minor party identification, and non-placement on an ideology scale, were imputed from the 2008 Pew Religion in American Life Survey.

WEIGHTING: The sample was weighted using propensity scores based on age, gender, race, education, news interest, voter registration, and non-placement on an ideology scale. The weights range from 0.1 to 4.1, with a mean of one and a standard deviation of 0.85.

There were 2000 people questioned. (voter population in 2012 was estimated at 235,248,000) Margin of error ±2.9% (adjusted for weighting) Survey mode Web-based interviews were utilized.

Questions not reported: 21 questions not reported.

So you had five percent (with an almost 3% error factor) of a very small sample of the GENERAL POPULATION that indicated abolition of slavery was a bad thing. And it was an internet web-based poll.

 

[test_article]

The Not Sure category is interesting.

 

[GDaddy]

That's the same 20% that elected Trump.

80 thousand people made the decision for 315 million.

Yay EC.

That's such a stupid talking point.

The swing vote is only decisive because the tally for the local elections broke 50/50. Those swing states are irrelevant without all the others that also vote that way. The last vote on the 5-4 SCOTUS split isn't decisive unless the others are split. Pence doesn't even vote unless the Senate gets to 50/50.

The other thing is that you guys keep assuming that neither the right nor left would do anything different if the EC was abolished or tweaked to the urban centers. IRL each side will play the game to win it; they're never going to play the game independent of the strategy they think it takes to win. Never.

 

[GWS]

The five percent of the GENERAL POPULATION (of an undersized sample) that answered abolition of slavery was a bad thing, out of the 2000 respondents, that is 100 people.

This place is so stupid sometimes it really is hard to handle.

 

[StuAzole]

Dems are scared of losing the black vote so you will see more of this lame propaganda

Black dudes be like “whaaaa?” over this fake rape stuff with Kav

They know what that’s all about

Plus, blacks see that dems really want illegal immigrants to compete with poor Americans and drive down wages

All it takes is a few extra % of blacks to flip to GOP and dems can never win a national election

Dems are probably afraid of lots of stuff.

Losing the black vote today is not one of them.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/793513/trumps-approval-rating-among-black-voters-whopping-3-percent

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/08/17/no-one-third-of-african-americans-dont-support-trump-not-even-close/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1e8e753f2567

 

[StuAzole]

The five percent of the GENERAL POPULATION (of an undersized sample) that answered abolition of slavery was a bad thing, out of the 2000 respondents, that is 100 people.

You're good at maths.

 

[FecalFace]

That's the same 20% that elected Trump.

80 thousand people made the decision for 315 million.

Yay EC.

That's such a stupid talking point.

The swing vote is only decisive because the tally for the local elections broke 50/50. Those swing states are irrelevant without all the others that also vote that way. The last vote on the 5-4 SCOTUS split isn't decisive unless the others are split. Pence doesn't even vote unless the Senate gets to 50/50.

The other thing is that you guys keep assuming that neither the right nor left would do anything different if the EC was abolished or tweaked to the urban centers. IRL each side will play the game to win it; they're never going to play the game independent of the strategy they think it takes to win. Never.

It's not a talking point.

80,000 people in two states decided the 2016 election, which Trump lost by 3 million votes.

That's just a fact.

 

[mundus]

The other 80% were lying.

 

[test_article]

What does 'Disapprove Somewhat' mean?

 

[GWS]

It means the "poll" was constructed by uneducated dolts.

 

[GDaddy]

That's the same 20% that elected Trump.

80 thousand people made the decision for 315 million.

Yay EC.

That's such a stupid talking point.

The swing vote is only decisive because the tally for the local elections broke 50/50. Those swing states are irrelevant without all the others that also vote that way. The last vote on the 5-4 SCOTUS split isn't decisive unless the others are split. Pence doesn't even vote unless the Senate gets to 50/50.

The other thing is that you guys keep assuming that neither the right nor left would do anything different if the EC was abolished or tweaked to the urban centers. IRL each side will play the game to win it; they're never going to play the game independent of the strategy they think it takes to win. Never.

It's not a talking point.

80,000 people in two states decided the 2016 election, which Trump lost by 3 million votes.

That's just a fact.

Still wrong. Each side had a total. Each side won a certain number of states. The winner needed every single state that he/she wins in order to prevail at the national scale. They all count.

The left knew the rules of play just as well as the right. If they fixated on the popular vote to the exclusion of the EC vote - and there is zero indication that they did - then they have nobody to blame but themselves. They've done well enough for themselves in the past; they only snivel about it when their candidate comes up short in the EC.

 

[FecalFace]

Once again, you are stating current rules, which everyone is aware of, while we are discussing the validity and fairness of the EC as a concept.

You're welcome to join the discussion.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

The five percent of the GENERAL POPULATION (of an undersized sample) that answered abolition of slavery was a bad thing, out of the 2000 respondents, that is 100 people.

This place is so stupid sometimes it really is hard to handle.

Note that the words "executive order" were part of the question as well.