What are college dorks protesting about?

[Ifallalot]

are there any genuine protests ?

Mostly not for this issue

It's a distraction from the actual problems happening in the US. Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot. The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this.That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have. But it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

Mostly not for this issue

It's a distraction from the actual problems happening in the US. Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot. The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this.That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have. But it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot.

So true wisdom is indifference?

The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this

I think that this is, quite literally, the point.
Students are pushing their universities (a system within their sphere of influence. Some government subsidized, some not) to divest from any and all investments that support Israeli interests.

That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have.

Multiple concepts can be held at one time, but yeah, clarity of messaging is important.

it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

I'm sure some people feel this way, but it is your own generality and projection that you use to discount the organizing efforts of these people . You don't need to agree on all issues to align on one.

 

[Ifallalot]

So true wisdom is indifference?

Yes

I think that this is, quite literally, the point.
Students are pushing their universities (a system within their sphere of influence. Some government subsidized, some not) to divest from any and all investments that support Israeli interests.

Rarely are the protests this nuanced, they're usually whining about genocide and racism instead. It's easier to capture the dummies with empathy related arguments

I'm sure some people feel this way, but it is your own generality and projection that you use to discount the organizing efforts of these people . You don't need to agree on all issues to align on one.

Nuance and contradiction can be used on many issues, but there are certain issues where there is a line in the sand and contradiction makes you a hypocrite

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

Yes


Rarely are the protests this nuanced, they're usually whining about genocide and racism instead. It's easier to capture the dummies with empathy related arguments


Nuance and contradiction can be used on many issues, but there are certain issues where there is a line in the sand and contradiction makes you a hypocrite

The message has been pretty clear. The reporting has been suspect and biased, but the call for divestment has been consistent.

I think the "line in the sand" might be the mass graves that have been reported...

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html

dorks just wanting a say in where their money goes.
dorks that aren't happy with their tuition money and taxes going toward warfare
dorks from a long line of dorks.

 

[Kento]

A movie that was WAY ahead of its time:

 

[Ifallalot]

The message has been pretty clear. The reporting has been suspect and biased, but the call for divestment has been consistent.

I think the "line in the sand" might be the mass graves that have been reported...

Doesn't matter

You either support foreign investment in war, or you don't

The result is always mass graves. I guess the perception of whether or not the people in the mass graves deserve it or not is how these ghouls support their hypocrisy

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

Doesn't matter

You either support foreign investment in war, or you don't

The result is always mass graves. I guess the perception of whether or not the people in the mass graves deserve it or not is how these ghouls support their hypocrisy

I'm not attempting to defend anything about Ukraine. I have a feeling, nobody at these protests is either.
But I don't know that it is as simple as you claim. Or more pointedly, one does not necessitate the other to be vocalized.

Outrage over what's happening in one area, with full support of one's government, is deservedly being criticized.

Your response implies one needs some sort of purity and totality that is not, in fact, necessary.
One can say "this is wrong", while not focusing on all the wrongs. `

 

[Ifallalot]

I'm not attempting to defend anything about Ukraine. I have a feeling, nobody at these protests are either.
But I don't know that it is as simple as you claim. Or more pointedly, one does not necessitate the other to be vocalized.

Outrage over what's happening in one area, with full support of one's government, is deservedly being criticized.

Your response implies one needs some sort of purity and totality that is not, in fact, necessary.
One can say "this is wrong", while not focusing on all the wrongs. `

I wasn't saying you, specifically. However, the same type of people who would protest this are nearly always Ukraine supporters as well. It's pretty easy to predict people's causes nowadays.

Most issues can exist without purity and totality, I agree, because that's just reality. However, you cannot support the exact same action for one country while fighting against the exact same action for another one just because of perception of the country.

 

[HatterasGlass]

 

[hal9000]

are there any genuine protests ?

only the J6 ones

 

[ghost_of_lewis_samuels]

Mostly not for this issue

It's a distraction from the actual problems happening in the US. Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot. The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this.That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have. But it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

doth the poster protest too much funding goes to fund the arming of other nations?

 

[ghost_of_lewis_samuels]

the only valid forms of protest are:

- paid advertisements
- voting
- leaving the country

 

[hal9000]

the only valid forms of protest are:

- paid advertisements
- voting
- leaving the country

what about dump tea into a harbor?

 

[Bob Dobbalina]

I wasn't saying you, specifically. However, the same type of people who would protest this are nearly always Ukraine supporters as well. It's pretty easy to predict people's causes nowadays.

Most issues can exist without purity and totality, I agree, because that's just reality. However, you cannot support the exact same action for one country while fighting against the exact same action for another one just because of perception of the country.

1. Assuming the two conflicts are exactly the same is absurd. Again, not because I necessarily support aid to Ukraine, but because the US has taken a distinctly different side in both cases.

Lets stop with the "what aboutisms"

 

[ghost_of_lewis_samuels]

what about dump tea into a harbor?

no, that's a distraction (actually holds up)

 

[StuAzole]

Mostly not for this issue

It's a distraction from the actual problems happening in the US. Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot. The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this.That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have. But it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

You’re missing who’s doing the protesting - Palestinians who are being killed by US backed Israel. They don’t give two shits about Ukraine.

To be similar, you’d need Ukrainians being killed by US backed Russia protesting. And they’d not give two shots about Gaza.

Your mistske, like always, is assuming “the left“ is a singular group. In fact, “the left” is just the tons of little groups who don’t fit under “the right’s” general white Christian umbrella. There are a multitude of different interests on the left, which is how you can have liberals angry At Jews, who also tend to be liberal.

 

[mundus]

Same thing Pescado is bitching about.

 

[manbearpig]

Mostly not for this issue

It's a distraction from the actual problems happening in the US. Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot. The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this.That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have. But it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

I thought you were above the “I DISAGREE THEREFORE STUPID” stance?

 

[hal9000]

Mostly not for this issue

It's a distraction from the actual problems happening in the US. Anyone who cares at all about this conflict or the Ukraine conflict is an idiot. The only response should be hatred and protesting our government for helping fund any of this.That's the only valid complaint these specific protests have. But it's funny the same people protesting that are in favor of giving money to Ukraine

while i do think we should be sending aid to Ukraine and that we should dial WAY back on our aid to israel (and attach conditions to it)……i respect your opinion here and see merit in it.