Alaska Airlines pilot who shut off plane engine mid flight blames post-shroom psychosis...

[casa_mugrienta]

83 charges of attempted murder.

Sounds like our friend attempted to treat his depression with fungus.

Court docs: Off-duty pilot who tried to shut off engines took psychedelic mushrooms

The off-duty pilot facing 83 attempted murder charges after he allegedly tried to shut off the engines of a plane mid-flight admitted to taking psychedelic mush

katu.com

 

[Pico]

If I want fungus I just nibble my toenails

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Pretty common side effect of shroom is wanting to take down an airplane.

Do do drugs, kids.

 

[manbearpig]

unsuccessfully tried to disrupt the engines about halfway between Astoria and Portland, according to a probable cause affidavit.

attempted suicide?

 

[CutnSnip]

sounds like a lame excuse to me.

 

[Chocki]

 

[casa_mugrienta]

attempted suicide?

sounds like a lame excuse to me.

It seems treating depression with mushrooms is all the rage now in pop culture.

A few people here have mentioned wanting to do it.

I can't imagine being in a depressed state and wanting to eat shrooms. Especially since depression and anxiety often go hand in hand.

So spitballing: This guys is depressed, he's heard how great shrooms are for depression, so he gobbles some. Things don't go so well, after the trip is done he spends the next two days awake and anxious possibly in a state of psychosis. The mind has become a prison and torture chamber. So he tries to end it all.

 

[CutnSnip]

It seems treating depression with mushrooms is all the rage now in pop culture.

A few people here have mentioned wanting to do it.

I can't imagine being in a depressed state and wanting to eat shrooms. Especially since depression and anxiety often go hand in hand.

So spitballing: This guys is depressed, he's heard how great shrooms are for depression, so he gobbles some. Things don't go so well, after the trip is done he spends the next two days awake and anxious possibly in a state of psychosis. The mind has become a prison and torture chamber. So he tries to end it all.

you cant imagine being depressed and taking something that will make you laugh and giggle and generally be in good spirits for a few hours. hmmm weird - i can.

people using for depression - maybe it helps some people and doesnt others just like all depression medicine.

i use it cuz theyre fun, nothing less , nothing more.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

you cant imagine being depressed and taking something that will make you laugh and giggle and generally be in good spirits for a few hours. hmmm weird - i can.

Usually a depressed, anxious state is not the scenario you want to be taking a psychedelic.

I am talking about actual depression, not simply being unhappy.

 

[PRCD]

83 charges of attempted murder.

Sounds like our friend attempted to treat his depression with fungus.

Court docs: Off-duty pilot who tried to shut off engines took psychedelic mushrooms

The off-duty pilot facing 83 attempted murder charges after he allegedly tried to shut off the engines of a plane mid-flight admitted to taking psychedelic mush

katu.com

What's the evidence base for fungus?

 

[enframed]

Set & setting. If you're fucked up mentally just recreationally taking shrooms is likely not going to help. Clinically taking, maybe.

 

[manbearpig]

It seems treating depression with mushrooms is all the rage now in pop culture.

A few people here have mentioned wanting to do it.

I can't imagine being in a depressed state and wanting to eat shrooms. Especially since depression and anxiety often go hand in hand.

So spitballing: This guys is depressed, he's heard how great shrooms are for depression, so he gobbles some. Things don't go so well, after the trip is done he spends the next two days awake and anxious possibly in a state of psychosis. The mind has become a prison and torture chamber. So he tries to end it all.

Have you ever done shrooms?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

What's the evidence base for fungus?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811211073759

 

[kidfury]

It seems treating depression with mushrooms is all the rage now in pop culture.

A few people here have mentioned wanting to do it.

I can't imagine being in a depressed state and wanting to eat shrooms. Especially since depression and anxiety often go hand in hand.

So spitballing: This guys is depressed, he's heard how great shrooms are for depression, so he gobbles some. Things don't go so well, after the trip is done he spends the next two days awake and anxious possibly in a state of psychosis. The mind has become a prison and torture chamber. So he tries to end it all.

Newsome vetoed open access to psilocybin in California. Thought it needed more study.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Have you ever done shrooms?

Yeah, a few times a year in my younger days.

I knew to be careful - saw some bad stuff happen to other people.

Why?

 

[manbearpig]

Yeah, a few times a year in my younger days.

I knew to be careful - saw some bad stuff happen to other people.

Why?

Just curious. There’s some interesting papers out there I’m sure you’ve seen on treating depression, PTSD and anxiety with psilocybin but I don’t think self medicating with it is a great idea if that’s what he did.

I never did a “hero” dose but have had plenty of doses that were more akin to a higher micro dose. Made me feel great.

 

[PRCD]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02698811211073759

"24 participants in a low-quality, unblinded, uncontrolled study with no pre-registered endpoints" is not high quality evidence. I should've been more-specific that I meant, "what is the high quality evidence base for fungus."

 

[kidfury]

"24 participants in a low-quality, unblinded, uncontrolled study with no pre-registered endpoints" is not high quality evidence. I should've been more-specific that I meant, "what is the high quality evidence base for fungus."

Newsome vetoed open access to psilocybin in California. Thought it needed more study.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Just curious. There’s some interesting papers out there I’m sure you’ve seen on treating depression, PTSD and anxiety with psilocybin but I don’t think self medicating with it is a great idea if that’s what he did.

I never did a “hero” dose but have had plenty of doses that were more akin to a higher micro dose. Made me feel great.

Great, yeah, for me akin to a light dose of ecstasy with visuals and the hallucination of mind expansion.

That said, I can almost guarantee anytime I saw them done at night, in a group setting, with a mixed level of experience there was almost always someone who went off the rails for some reason.

We had a kid in my dorm that jumped off a nine story balcony and went splat.

A lot of my friends, psychonaut folk, got into making tea with it - plenty of "never again" experiences with that.

I don't know how they're screening for actual depression (honor system?) Interesting a lot of these studies are waitlisted. Hmmmm....

Ever read any studies that had a psychedelic-naive participant group?
Bad trip? How would one be dealt with in the clinical setting? Give em a benzo? I have no idea.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

"24 participants in a low-quality, unblinded, uncontrolled study with no pre-registered endpoints" is not high quality evidence. I should've been more-specific that I meant, "what is the high quality evidence base for fungus."

Yeah I chuckled when I saw that too.

The whole study just looks like a flimsy joke.

They put an ad out, brought some people in, asked em what their history of depression is, asked them to score their current depression, gave them some shrooms (was there even a section stating how they were dosed?), then followed up with a very brief questionaire months later.

But that's the one being touted as of late.

Wasn't there also a study that came out recently showing how microdosing psilocybin was nothing but a placebo?