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Indictment? (...or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love "Any Day Now")

afoaf

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sussle said:
The Right needs these voters to win....but as we have seen, the Left does not.

Ignoring them is the only thing the country can do - they are beyond appeals to reason or logic. And since many of them were anti-vaxxers and January 6th types, they have been kind enough to cull their own herds with enthusiasm. These things have a way of working themselves out, one way or the other. :cheers:

edit: these conversations always assume that the modern-day Left and Right are equal opposites/mirror images of each other. this is not the case - the Left is a herd of cats that can occasionally be steered in the right direction, but often do silly cat tricks....a cluster of special interest groups vying for a turn at the feed dish.

but the Right is barely a consituency....more like a business model, a customer base to be sold the Outrage du Jour, in exchange for likes, tweets, subs, views, donations, contributions etc. It's why they run with culture grievance issues - there's no accountability or metric for results when the issues have no substance and actually affect very few. the two parties are not the same.
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I think this is a bit flippant and misses the point

VonMeister's argument is spot on....why were so many people willing to buy in to his rhetoric?

a lot of Americans are feeling left behind. the numbers on almost any reasonable measure are poor:

homeownership
savings rate
attainment of higher degree
job satisfaction
marriage rate
birth rate

the american dream is becoming more and more elusive for a large swath of the population and that breeds the kind of resentment that a POS like Trump can and will harness
 
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kidfury

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when you boil it all down, racism is the cohesive factor in uniting GOP supporters.
 
VonMeister

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sussle said:
The Right needs these voters to win....but as we have seen, the Left does not.

Ignoring them is the only thing the country can do - they are beyond appeals to reason or logic. And since many of them were anti-vaxxers and January 6th types, they have been kind enough to cull their own herds with enthusiasm. These things have a way of working themselves out, one way or the other. :cheers:

edit: these conversations always assume that the modern-day Left and Right are equal opposites/mirror images of each other. this is not the case - the Left is a herd of cats that can occasionally be steered in the right direction, but often do silly cat tricks....a cluster of special interest groups vying for a turn at the feed dish.

but the Right is barely a consituency....more like a business model, a customer base to be sold the Outrage du Jour, in exchange for likes, tweets, subs, views, donations, contributions etc. It's why they run with culture grievance issues - there's no accountability or metric for results when the issues have no substance and actually affect very few. the two parties are not the same.
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No...they were traditional blue collar workers from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio. Mostly union workers who don't regularly vote. They weren't part of any political base. The Republican Party doesn't need them to win, Trump does. Many traditional Republicans didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020. The people Trump turned out stayed home again in 2020.

You're basically just a team member. You don't believe anything..just a parrot.
 
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VonMeister

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Woke AF said:
The problem has been Neoliberalism which has owned the Democrats. It peaked with slippery Bill and was fully embraced by Obama. Hillary and Biden are just extensions of that.
the DNC will never turn away from it.
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Neoliberalism is all that's left. Traditional liberalism is dead and buried. The only thing that separates the majority of the republican and democrat parties are a few social issues.
 
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VonMeister said:
Neoliberalism is all that's left. Traditional liberalism is dead and buried. The only thing that separates the majority of the republican and democrat parties are a few social issues.
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I agree, but Neoliberalism is a death cult. And we are experiencing the consequences now.
Humans can resurrect, so I have been told, hopefully, something sustainable will arise.
 
afoaf

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VonMeister said:
C'mon...this isn't a one party problem.
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the Democrats are legislatively productive while the Republicans are legislating bigotry

there is a difference between speaking out in favor of equal treatment under the law and fear-mongering
 
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GromsDad

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VonMeister said:
No...they were traditional blue collar workers from Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio. Mostly union workers who don't regularly vote. They weren't part of any political base.
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I grew up in a large family of union construction workers and back then they all voted democrat because that's what uni0on construction workers did. By and large, the democrat party has lost that once solid demographic. In its place democrats rely on getting out the vote in large cities.
 
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kidfury

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GromsDad said:
I grew up in a large family of union construction workers and back then they all voted democrat
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Your father voted Democrat? Your uncles and older construction worker cousins voted Democrat? Is that what you're saying?
 
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Sharkbiscuit

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LOL the Democrats went with Neoliberalism because the old sh!t was getting merked in elections.

Same reason the GOP went with Trump. This Laffer Curve tax cut sh!t got merked in 2012. You aren't going to get a better pro-business fiscal conservative ticket than Romney/Ryan. Dream team. They lost convincingly.

Right now it's a struggle to get a (D) Senate Majority and you can forget 98% of this Bernie sh!t getting past the purple state Democrats in the same way you can forget Bernie losing fewer than 40 states in a Presidential election.

You think any of these pipe dreams are getting past Senators from Ohio, Minnesota, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia, etc?
 
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