How much more will your Big Mac cost if we raise the minimum wage?

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there’s no way a person can actually live on a minimum wage.
This is true. I have never understood why minimum wage is anything less than sustainable, well, except for capitalism.

It's ironic that an economic system that desires little government intervention for business necessitates the need for government assistance for its citizens. Or maybe it isn't.
 
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If I’m reading what grapesoda, surfdog, and GrossFat are saying......


-they agree that exploiting hourly wage workers is the only way a company can be profitable.
How are they being exploited? Profits for restaurants are already in the single digits. Consumers are addicted to cheap food, especially those on minimum wage. If youwant to raise prices so that they can be paid more then go ahead, but at some point people will opt to eat from home instead and/or order less when they do go out.

-there’s no way a person can actually live on a minimum wage.
You’re not supposed to be able to. Over 80% of minimum wage workers live in a household with other wage earners.

You can make a stronger argument for helping those with outdated and insufficient skill sets to obtain the training they need to get better paying jobs, of which there are millions that go unfilled that do not require a college education. Or by lowering barriers to entry and licensing requirements for entrepreneurs.
 
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Price won’t go up much if at all because MCD’s will offset the per employee cost by reducing the number of employees.

And another to consider (which is the real reason) about raising the MW is that union wages use MW as their floor and all wages go up when the MW goes up.

That means more in union dues (paid as a % of salaries) which means more political donations to (in this case) democrat politicians.
ok
 

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Also, your article clearly states that the $22/hr figure includes wage subsidies for social programs, which is the equivalent of payroll taxes in the US.

“Starting pay for the humblest burger-flipper at McDonald’s in Denmark is about $22 an hour once various pay supplements are included”

Funny how your word salad opinion article doesn’t actually mention what the true cost per hour is to the employer in the US. Maybe because once you adjust for that and the price increase, the difference ain’t that great?

More intellectual dishonesty from Hal, Twitter, and a publication that is slowly dying shadow of its former, greater self. Sad!
 
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It has been redistributed, dingus. It was distributed upward to the top 0.1%
Yes, dingus, so jack up the taxes on the top bracket, make a new super bracket, remove the cap on income subject to FICA whatever, cut defense spending (a lot) and put the money towards things like Medicaid, Medicare (for all?), Social Security, vocational training.

We can also remove barriers to entry. Why shouldn't some guy from Oklahoma be allowed to strip mine in Big Sur? grapedrink hates many such cases of barriers to entry the same way he hates that working-class fentanyl addicts in West Virginia can't drill for oil off Florida's coast.
 

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Or something that might actually work, like income redistribution.
I’m not opposed to doing that through the tax code.

We don't need any more business owners who suck at owning businesses and you can forget people learning anything.
Are you saying that minimum wage workers are incapable of learning new skills and being good business owners? Classism much?

Why not subsidize training peopeup into better paying jobs instead of expecting low wage unskilled labor to be a living wage? I think the savings in welfare costs would more than pay for it.
 
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So for a real discussion, are Big Macs priced differently across the US? Many states have been moving to $15/hour already. If Big Macs are priced based on cost basis models, I’d expect a Big Mac to cost noticeably more in San Diego than Boise. By the same token, I’d expect rents to influence prices, so a Big Mac in Oceanside should cost less than a Big Mac in Newport Beach. Does it?
 

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We can also remove barriers to entry. Why shouldn't some guy from Oklahoma be allowed to strip mine in Big Sur? grapedrink hates many such cases of barriers to entry the same way he hates that working-class fentanyl addicts in West Virginia can't drill for oil off Florida's coast.
Cool strawman bro. I don’t think there are many minimum wage workers who are able to set aside enough scrill to purchase the equipment needed for strip mining or oil drilling, even in a highly deregulated market. If they could, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

However there are some who would be able to set aside enough money to set up small scale beauty shops and food stalls but can’t because of regulations requiring excessive licensing and infrastructure that are written by bigger businesses and local governments.
 
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I’m not opposed to doing that through the tax code.


Are you saying that minimum wage workers are incapable of learning new skills and being good business owners? Classism much?

Why not subsidize training peopeup into better paying jobs instead of expecting low wage unskilled labor to be a living wage? I think the savings in welfare costs would more than pay for it.
If minimum wage workers were so good at learning new skills they'd go learn them if they wanted to. I suggested subsidized training in my response to Hal, although I think that's going to get Hillary'd because nobody tells middle America to learn to code.

Cool strawman bro. I don’t think there are many minimum wage workers who are able to set aside enough scrill to purchase the equipment needed for strip mining or oil drilling, even in a highly deregulated market. If they could, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

However there are some who would be able to set aside enough money to set up small scale beauty shops and food stalls but can’t because of regulations requiring excessive licensing and infrastructure that are written by bigger businesses and local governments.
There are shitty nail salons, beauty salons, and food trucks all over the place already. What in the hell licensing and regulations do these people have to deal with? Not selling lobster that's been sitting by the side of a dumpster for a month???
 
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Training programs are fine and good, and we should have them, but they aren't going to rid the world of McDonalds and other businesses that don't pay employees enough to live.

Here is a question for the erBB brain trust:

If the hourly rate of an employee that they see on their paycheck is $12 per hour, what is the actual hourly cost to the employer when its all said and done?
Why don't you tell us.
 

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How do you derive this number?
You tack on the employer's side of payroll tax, possibly employer-side state level taxes that vary from state to state, health insurance premiums because those are compensation if the employee is asking for more money and socialist costs if you're not speaking to the employee directly, unemployment and liability insurance.....

Why is this relevant?
Because Kansas and Oklahoma are the best, and blue states where all the money and jobs are hate the economy.
 
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