Someone tell me why anyone would order a board from a shaper's satellite (Pyzel in Oceanside, DHD in Costa Mesa eg.) when you can work with the main shapers in town (Marcio at Sharp Eye, Xanadu, Stamps, TP etc.)? Is marketing that effective or are surfers just dumb?
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- Thread starter StuAzole
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Because someone may want a model that the local brand/shaper isn't doing. Either they've demo'd, borrowed, felt up, or just think it'll work well for them. Marcio, Timmy and Xanadu are using machines. Do you think they're scrubbing every board going through their shop? Do you think the same Sharp Eye model that goes through The Glass lab in Australia has any less of Marcio's design intent as opposed to one that's made in SD? What about TP's through XTR?
I think you may be the dumb one.
Tim Stamps makes boards for Simon in the US. Do you think he forgets how to shape when he makes a Simon board?
Marcio doesn't finish every Sharp Eye etc etc.
the files are the same, thats good enough for me
u can get the same thing jjf rides, made elsewhere, if that turns u on
u can get the same thing jjf rides, made elsewhere, if that turns u on
all made locally using local people. I don't see the problem at all.
Because it’s the design that counts imo. And this is not to discount the work of the shapers you mentioned but I’d rather have a Maurice Cole made to his specs by robots and know it’s gonna work for me based off my understanding of his design philosophy and what I’m looking for in a board .
Tom Curren rode his boards for a reason(with CI logos on them lol).
JJF rides Pyzel for a reason.
All those pros have their Bonzers for a reason.
Etc
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By that logic this Harbour probably sucks since it was shaped by Tim Stamps and not Rich Harbour
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File is probably the most important part for the average Joe, most wouldn't be able to tell the difference in where the sharp edge starts,as long as it's finned correctly.
rubbing grooves off isn't hard, I heard that there is a high definition cut option with shape3d that puts the finish cut very close to complete(but that could be bs)
rubbing grooves off isn't hard, I heard that there is a high definition cut option with shape3d that puts the finish cut very close to complete(but that could be bs)
This is unfortunately true. I actually know who one of the main culprits is, as I was able to get a Medina DFK file in 2013 and pretty much could have gotten any of the main domestic players' files as well. In hindsight, it's lame any way you look at it and I wouldn't do it again. Johnny Cabianca didn't see €1 from me effectively riding one of his boards for over a year and that's wasn't cool. I ended up buying a Pukas/Cabianca in late 2014 that I keep at my EU office near Espinho, Portugal, which eased my conscience a little.
I have to say that the thought you have is valid to a point. If you can walk in and get Timmy, Marcio, whoever to design and shape you a custom board that is great and you should do it just for the experience alone.
What happens to most shapers that have a decent size biz is that they have one or more trusted and experienced backshapers (ghosts) working for them to help keep up with demand. If you do it right -and I hope that I have- you first have your design files dialed in as close to the desired finished board as you can so that all the main characteristics of the designs are already in the cut blank. Then you work very closely with your shapers to teach them how you want your boards to come out. The rocker and bottom contours are very difficult to screw up, but the biggest part of the boards that they are tuning in is the rail, so that is what we really focus on perfecting. In our Oceanside factory I have a "Master Shaper" who looks over any other backshapers' work and makes sure to keep them tuned in and on track to what I want. We don't hire just anyone to shape for us- my guys are all amazingly talented in their own right, and I am lucky to have them making our boards.
I regularly check out our boards at shops and in the factory to make sure they feel like my own shapes.
To make it clear how much I trust my crew (not just Oceanside, but around the world) I get them to make my own personal boards whenever I am traveling so that I am riding exactly what our customers are riding too.
As for our files being used by other shapers - We have our own shaping machines and keep things in-house to avoid that sort of thing, and I will only work with people that I trust anyway. I am sure someone has managed to get their hands on my files before, but I can't get all worked up and worried about a couple of boards here and there. We also can pass-lock our files so that they can't be used by people outside our groups.
Hope this sheds some light on the topic...
What happens to most shapers that have a decent size biz is that they have one or more trusted and experienced backshapers (ghosts) working for them to help keep up with demand. If you do it right -and I hope that I have- you first have your design files dialed in as close to the desired finished board as you can so that all the main characteristics of the designs are already in the cut blank. Then you work very closely with your shapers to teach them how you want your boards to come out. The rocker and bottom contours are very difficult to screw up, but the biggest part of the boards that they are tuning in is the rail, so that is what we really focus on perfecting. In our Oceanside factory I have a "Master Shaper" who looks over any other backshapers' work and makes sure to keep them tuned in and on track to what I want. We don't hire just anyone to shape for us- my guys are all amazingly talented in their own right, and I am lucky to have them making our boards.
I regularly check out our boards at shops and in the factory to make sure they feel like my own shapes.
To make it clear how much I trust my crew (not just Oceanside, but around the world) I get them to make my own personal boards whenever I am traveling so that I am riding exactly what our customers are riding too.
As for our files being used by other shapers - We have our own shaping machines and keep things in-house to avoid that sort of thing, and I will only work with people that I trust anyway. I am sure someone has managed to get their hands on my files before, but I can't get all worked up and worried about a couple of boards here and there. We also can pass-lock our files so that they can't be used by people outside our groups.
Hope this sheds some light on the topic...
But do they know its for you? Not disputing your employees skill and loyalty but they are going to go the extra miles for the Boss.
Always good to see your posts on here!
Interesting post. I remember seeing an interview with Mayhem where he talked about using OTR Lost boards so he knows what the customers are buying.
I’d have bet a bunch of money that rockers and contours would be the hard part. I understand how wings/foils work,etc but I don’t pretend to have a clue when it comes to surfboards
Respect
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except you kinda actually are.
the master shaper in oside is erBB approved and more than capable of a hand shape.
You know the Lost custom order process is a sh!tshow when even the owner buys off the rack.
Only time I don't order from local guys is if I want a construction that isn't offered locally (e.g. XTR, SuperFlex, FutureFlex, etc).