Why we build the wall.

[lagunaboy]

I’m pro-immigration. Let DACA people stay. Let almost everyone stay

 

[everysurfer]

fija

Touché

 

[afoaf]

You’re both right.

I might have worded the first part differently:

The line forms in the rear. No cutting the line. Entiendes buey?

Those being denied tried to do it correctly.

Yes, you’re missing something here.

Javi would be thrilled if you could find it in your heart to sponsor him. He’s got friends if anyone else is interested in sponsoring...

you're not responding to what I said.

his entire post reads like applicant quotas are reduced when illegals come over

that is not the case

and I didn't say anything about being pro-illegal, so I'm not sure what the Javi
bit is about.

GDaddy's post is nonsensical.

 

[GDaddy]

Deport the illegals. Then if we decide we want more immigrants we can expand the immigration quotas and/or build a guest worker program which enables the workers to come work and then return to their families without a hassle. It may be that we should double or triple the existing immigration quotas. But that's a choice for us to exercise based on our own interests, not a choice for all would-be immigrants to impose upon us against our will.

As for the question of illegals taking the place of legals, I think illegal immigration figures heavily into where we have set our immigration quotas. If we needed more workers we'd expand those quotas. If we need fewer workers we'd reduce those quotas.

 

[afoaf]

I think illegal immigration figures heavily into where we have set our immigration quotas.

get back to me when there's something more than feels informing
your faulty logic.

further, supply-side economics is demonstrably ineffective

the solution is to affect demand (for illegal workers)

but that entails the political class taking their corporate masters to task

if they can't get work, they won't come

 

[Autoprax]

https://soundcloud.com/user698828797%2Ftrk-13-corporations-are-like-people2

 

[ElOgro]

get back to me when there's something more than feels informing
your faulty logic.

further, supply-side economics is demonstrably ineffective

the solution is to affect demand (for illegal workers)

but that entails the political class taking their corporate masters to task

if they can't get work, they won't come

So the solution would be more Americans being willing to do the jobs they do?

I’ve always been in favor of a tightly controlled temporary work visa program.

 

[everysurfer]

So the solution would be more Americans being willing to do the jobs they do?

I’ve always been in favor of a tightly controlled temporary work visa program.

How about take the homeless, once convicted for shítting in the streets, sent to work farms to do the work Americans won't do?

 

[mundus]

Bottom line we are addicted to low, low prices, without cheap labor no low prices.

 

[GDaddy]

get back to me when there's something more than feels informing
your faulty logic.

further, supply-side economics is demonstrably ineffective

the solution is to affect demand (for illegal workers)

but that entails the political class taking their corporate masters to task

if they can't get work, they won't come

I never considered it an either-or choice. I think we should do "both".

I'm also pretty confident that if we run out of cheap labor we can and should adjust our immigration programs to suit, so I'm really not worried about the prospect of running out of cheap labor. And sure, maybe we SHOULD favor the admittance of more illiterates from the Americas for their low-skilled labor over the illiterates from other 3rd world nations. We certainly share a lot more in common with them on the cultural level.

 

[ElOgro]

How about take the homeless, once convicted for shítting in the streets, sent to work farms to do the work Americans won't do?

Especially the mentally unstable. Take a page out of your hero the Gipper’s playbook.

 

[everysurfer]

Especially the mentally unstable. Take a page out of your hero the Gipper’s playbook.

You would be more fun to debate if you were less mean spirited.

I said CONVICTED. If you are so mentally ill that you don't know that it is wrong to shìt in the street, they wouldn't have a problem

If you want to argue with straw men, kindly don't quote my posts

 

[everysurfer]

Being snarky isn't a good look ogre, it makes you look bitchy

 

[ElOgro]

You would be more fun to debate if you were less mean spirited.

I said CONVICTED. If you are so mentally ill that you don't know that it is wrong to shìt in the street, they wouldn't have a problem

If you want to argue with straw men, kindly don't quote my posts

You’re not being debated.

 

[everysurfer]

You’re not being debated.

Clearly not.

That was my point. Right over your head

 

[everysurfer]

Debate is a skill, snark is easy.

 

[lagunaboy]

Surf is good right now

 

[ElOgro]

Surf is good right now

It’s been waist high with wasted offshore but it looks like it’s picking up in front of the house.

 

[ElOgro]

Clearly not.

That was my point. Right over your head

Feel free to put me on ignore.

As far as your debate skills, don’t quit your day job. Unless posting here is your day job.

 

[everysurfer]

Feel free to put me on ignore.

As far as your debate skills, don’t quit your day job. Unless posting here is your day job.

Thanks for the offer, but ignore is for the obnoxious. You, my autistic friend, are more of an annoyance.