Why did sad, somber, and prayerful Happy Hour Pelosi use over a dozen commemorative pens to sign impeachment documents?

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Why did sad, somber, and prayerful Happy Hour Pelosi use over a dozen commemorative pens to sign impeachment documents?

She wants to savor her final victory. She passed impeachment articles with a House full of rabid Democrats.

Yay!
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Did you predict the Dems would lose the house in 2018?

I'm not going to bring up SDRL.

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Because that is just you know , , , ,
 

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Did you predict the Dems would lose the house in 2018?

I'm not going to bring up SDRL.

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Because that is just you know , , , ,

Was that like 10 years ago or something?

Who said long before the election that Trump would win Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania?

Trump broke you. Do you feel broken?
 

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That's why I didn't bring it up.

I was broken long before trump.

Keep in mind that if you guys are right, I win.

I hope you are.

That is the joke.

Hahah :poop:
 

afoaf

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the forum is littered with Doug's retarded 4chan conspiracies that never amounted to sh!t....

BILL ORRRRRRR

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Word is that Pelosi delayed impeachment articles because the commemorative pens were on back order.
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weird...
 

VonMeister

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weird...
Nothing weird about you taking something completely out of context and posting it here.

1. pre Model 3
2. My post was only a response to subcuckpigs bullshit about people wanting Teslas, when autosales percentages of the existing models said otherwise and still do today. At the point in time the Model S and X had serious quality issues and sales were in the toilet.
3. Tesla is still running on vapors today. They are not generating cash or profits necessary to remain in business.

My overall point still remains. In no scenario did we need state and federal governments subsidizing 6 figure cars for the wealthy. It's criminal to do that with tax payer money. 7500 bucks has no bearing on a person who is able to drop 125k on a car.
 
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Bearnie Slanders

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Nothing weird about you taking something completely out of context and posting it here.

1. pre Model 3
2. My post was only a response to subcuckpigs bullshit about people wanting Teslas, when autosales percentages of the existing models said otherwise and still do today. At the point in time the Model S and X had serious quality issues and sales were in the toilet.
3. Tesla is still running on vapors today. They are not generating cash or profits necessary to remain in business.

My overall point still remains. In no scenario did we need state and federal governments subsidizing 6 figure cars for the wealthy. It's criminal to do that with tax payer money. 7500 bucks has no bearing on a person who is able to drop 125k on a car.
from 2015:
The $4.9 billion in government subsidies covers three companies affiliated with Musk: SolarCity, Space X, and Tesla Motors.

At first, Musk did not respond to the Times’ request for comment but he later called into CNBC to respond. Musk argued:

It was misleading to sum up multiple years of subsidies (past and future) in one figure. By doing so, he claimed it made it appear as if his companies were just receiving one big check.
It was unfair to not also discuss the level of subsidization for fossil fuels. Subsidies to green companies are justified, Musk argued, because the oil and gas industries are so heavily subsidized.
$1.3 billion in subsidies for Tesla’s “Gigafactory” were warranted given the projected economic impact.

Here’s our retort to Musk:

Accounting for Multiple Years of Subsidies

The editor of the Times responded to CNBC arguing that the outlet was reporting on the “depth and breadth” of subsidies awarded to these companies and that it was up to the public to decide whether the size and scope of subsidization is right. We agree. Specifically, the editor pointed out that Hirsch itemized each subsidy in his calculation. We don’t think the Times misled readers by reporting the total figure awarded to companies affiliated with Musk.

Good Jobs First weighed in on multiple-year subsidies in our recent comments to the Government Accountability Standards Board (GASB) and on aerospace subsidies (read Boeing) in Washington State. As we argued for robust GASB standards (see page 4-5), governments ought to account for the full cost of current and future years of subsidies. Otherwise they ignore “budget icebergs” in years ahead.

Michigan now provides a good example why this is critical. There, a subsidy program canceled in 2011 is still having a huge budgetary impact, as $9.4 billion in past-awarded tax credits play out (an increase of nearly $3 billion above previous estimates). In Washington, we pointed out that the $8.7 billion subsidy package, primarily benefitting Space X competitor Boeing, is the largest ever awarded to a company from a state, and it will cost the Evergreen State revenue through 2040.

Musk Is Correct About Subsidies to Oil and Gas

Musk makes an excellent point that the size and scope of subsidies to green companies are much smaller in absolute terms than subsidies to big oil. Although companies like Iberdrola (a Spanish company investing in wind energy) appear in our list of top recipients of subsidies, the list is also dominated by fossil fuels giants like Sempra Energy (natural gas), Royal Dutch Shell (oil), Cheniere Energy (natural gas), Valero (oil and gas), and Exxon Mobil (oil and gas).

Musk cites a recent IMF study which found that the fossil fuel industry costs governments around the world some $5.4 trillion in 2015. A recent investigation by The Guardian also profiled subsidies to oil and gas utilizing our Subsidy Tracker database and connected many of these subsidies to political campaign contributions. A single subsidy package Pennsylvania awarded to Shell for its ethane cracker facility will cost the state some $1.7 billion in subsidies, more than Tesla’s Gigafactory facility in Nevada.

While subsidies to big oil are huge, one huge giveaway does not justify another. The growth of companies extracting ever-larger taxpayer subsidies, especially through megadeals, while states embrace austerity is a growing worry. States are making cuts to transportation, education, and workforce development—investments that benefit all employers. Moreover, few states have implemented early childhood education programs that carry a high rate of return without picking winners and losers in the economy. These cuts undermine opportunity for working families and fuel inequality.

Tesla’s Gigafactory

Good Jobs First and groups in five Western states spoke out when Tesla staged a public auction for its “Gigafactory” last year. We stand by our analyses: the deal became far more expensive that originally forecast, Musk’s whipsawing of states against each other was pure Old Economy, the project appears to carry a very high cost-per-job created, and taxpayers are the losers in interstate bidding wars that race to the bottom.

Musk Admits That Business Basics, Not Subsidies, Drive Site Selection

Finally, we note that Musk confirmed key arguments about subsidies that Good Jobs First frequently makes.

When asked directly by the CNBC reporter about whether the Gigafactory would have been built “but-for” subsidies to the company, Musk admitted that it would have been built regardless of subsidies from any state. Musk stated the following: “None of the incentives are necessary, they are all helpful. These things seem to be characterized as either absolutely necessary or absolutely unnecessary: both of those positions are false. What the incentives do is they are catalysts. They improve the rate at which a certain thing happens. And the reason these incentives are put in place is because the voters want a particular thing to happen and they want it to happen faster than it might otherwise occur.”

Unfortunately, it’s impossible to prove whether the public actually sees things this way: Nevada taxpayers never actually got to vote on the deal, which was rushed through a special two-day legislative session. Too few polls with well-worded questions repeated over time have been conducted to really gauge what voters think about subsidy packages. Los Angeles Times readers’ reactions are mixed. Californians’ reaction may also differ from Nevadans: Golden State residents could benefit from Tesla jobs just across the state line without footing the subsidy bill.

On the Gigafactory project, Musk states that the value of the subsidies amounts to less than 1 percent of the projected economic output of that factory. This confirms our oft-repeated point that other factors matter a great deal more to businesses than subsidies. States should focus most of their energies (and economic development dollars) on those other major factors that make economies thrive for all businesses such as a well-educated workforce and transportation systems that move goods and people efficiently.

A laurel to the Los Angeles Times for stirring up this debate! And a tip of the hat as well to Elon Musk for his “but for” candor and for even suggesting voters should have a say on subsidies. How about a state law requiring voter approval of any subsidy package over $50 million?
 

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there was another thread where you trashed the stock...

nice essay, though
 

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there was another thread where you trashed the stock...

nice essay, though
Not sure who you're responding to but would you buy Tesla stock? When I made the post you quoted it was in trouble and almost halved in value in 6 months. Terrible investment for the small investor given the share price.....but that's you though. Have you found a place to take a bet on last years superbowl?
 

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Q. Why did sad, somber, and prayerful Happy Hour Pelosi use over a dozen commemorative pens to sign impeachment documents?

A1. Probably just a version of "For the liberal tears", aka politics.

A2. For the Ebay resale profit.