Why are so many young healthy people having cardiac issues?

[PRCD]

Actually no one is behaving that way. No one said myocarditis is not a known (and rare) side effect of the vaccine. But your OP insinuated that the football player's situation was due to the vaccine...without presenting a shred of evidence. Not a single shred. Then I post documented evidence of other causes of sudden deaths of young athletes (one of which I have) and you react with RFLOL. How unusual.

I understand covid vaccine hesitancy. It's like me with Lasik. I know there's only a 0.3% chance of complications ...but what if I'm in that 0.3%???? I'm Fukt.


The chances of getting myocarditis is 0.00103479398%.

"Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

For males age 16-21 it's higher. 0.018%.

Risk of myocarditis after COVID vaccine low but highest in young men

www.cidrap.umn.edu

There is always a risk/benefit analysis to make.

"In an editorial, JAMA Cardiology Editor Ann Marie Navar, MD, PhD, of the University of Texas, and Deputy Editor Robert Bonow, MD, of Northwestern University, said that the risk of COVID vaccine-related myocarditis is low and outweighed by the benefits of vaccination.
"At the individual level, immunization prevents not only COVID-19–related myocarditis but also severe disease, hospitalization, long-term complications after COVID-19 infection, and death," they wrote.
"At the population level, immunization helps to decrease community spread, decrease the chances of new variants emerging, protect people who are immunocompromised, and ensure how health care system can continue to provide for our communities."


Oh, and there is this-

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

.

Horrible take. Stop posting.

 

[Norm']

Results
Among more than 2.5 million vaccinated HCO members who were 16 years of age or older, 54 cases met the criteria for myocarditis. The estimated incidence per 100,000 persons who had received at least one dose of vaccine was 2.13 cases (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.56 to 2.70). The highest incidence of myocarditis (10.69 cases per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 6.93 to 14.46) was reported in male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. A total of 76% of cases of myocarditis were described as mild and 22% as intermediate; 1 case was associated with cardiogenic shock. After a median follow-up of 83 days after the onset of myocarditis, 1 patient had been readmitted to the hospital, and 1 had died of an unknown cause after discharge. Of 14 patients who had left ventricular dysfunction on echocardiography during admission, 10 still had such dysfunction at the time of hospital discharge. Of these patients, 5 underwent subsequent testing that revealed normal heart function.

Conclusions
Among patients in a large Israeli health care system who had received at least one dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine, the estimated incidence of myocarditis was 2.13 cases per 100,000 persons; the highest incidence was among male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. Most cases of myocarditis were mild or moderate in severity. (Funded by the Ivan and Francesca Berkowitz Family Living Laboratory Collaboration at Harvard Medical School and Clalit Research Institute.)

 

[$kully]

Pharma shills out in force on this thread

you guys loved to talk about rates and percentages before, now we can talk about that

yes young athletes have had heart problems before. The difference is the rate of those attacks and dying has skyrocketed

Post stats of these skyrocketing numbers please.

 

[PRCD]

The Boomers - who in their younger years told everyone to trust no one over thirty and delighted in opposing the Man and social mores - have become feckless solipsistic conformists in their dying years. Death is coming for all of you, Boomers, so age gracefully. Those younger are who take care of you when you're older.

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

Actually no one is behaving that way. No one said myocarditis is not a known (and rare) side effect of the vaccine. But your OP insinuated that the football player's situation was due to the vaccine...without presenting a shred of evidence. Not a single shred. Then I post documented evidence of other causes of sudden deaths of young athletes (one of which I have) and you react with RFLOL. How unusual.

I understand covid vaccine hesitancy. It's like me with Lasik. I know there's only a 0.3% chance of complications ...but what if I'm in that 0.3%???? I'm Fukt.


The chances of getting myocarditis is 0.00103479398%.

"Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

For males age 16-21 it's higher. 0.018%.

Risk of myocarditis after COVID vaccine low but highest in young men

www.cidrap.umn.edu

There is always a risk/benefit analysis to make.

"In an editorial, JAMA Cardiology Editor Ann Marie Navar, MD, PhD, of the University of Texas, and Deputy Editor Robert Bonow, MD, of Northwestern University, said that the risk of COVID vaccine-related myocarditis is low and outweighed by the benefits of vaccination.
"At the individual level, immunization prevents not only COVID-19–related myocarditis but also severe disease, hospitalization, long-term complications after COVID-19 infection, and death," they wrote.
"At the population level, immunization helps to decrease community spread, decrease the chances of new variants emerging, protect people who are immunocompromised, and ensure how health care system can continue to provide for our communities."


Oh, and there is this-

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

.

Epic take. Continue posting.

 

[Ifallalot]

I love how the premise of the entire thread is built on a poorly framed thesis.

the OP completely ignored the fact that Hamlin had just taken a big hit.

Have you ever watched football before?

 

[Autoprax]

There's actually a lot of stuff out there lamenting the recent increase in heart attacks. Especially among young people. Google it.

But what's the cause? COVID vaccine? COVID itself? Obese, stressed-out diabetic millennials?

All of the above?

Mulit variate.

I really need to write my book Wisdom of the Lemon Tree.

It would answer every question.

 

[Random Guy]

Pharma shills out in force on this thread

you guys loved to talk about rates and percentages before, now we can talk about that

yes young athletes have had heart problems before. The difference is the rate of those attacks and dying has skyrocketed

What are the old rates and new rates?
I’m not shilling
I’m asking for the rates

 

[Autoprax]

Have you ever watched football before?

My one freind told my other friend not to invite me to watch football games at his house because I was too much of a spazz.

I wouldn't want to watch the game. I'd be jumping around playing with the dog.

I never got how men could watch other men on a TV play sport for 3 hours.

It's the epitome of beta cuckery in my book

 

[Ifallalot]

Actually no one is behaving that way. No one said myocarditis is not a known (and rare) side effect of the vaccine. But your OP insinuated that the football player's situation was due to the vaccine...without presenting a shred of evidence. Not a single shred. Then I post documented evidence of other causes of sudden deaths of young athletes (one of which I have) and you react with RFLOL. How unusual.

I understand covid vaccine hesitancy. It's like me with Lasik. I know there's only a 0.3% chance of complications ...but what if I'm in that 0.3%???? I'm Fukt.


The chances of getting myocarditis is 0.00103479398%.

"Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346

For males age 16-21 it's higher. 0.018%.

Risk of myocarditis after COVID vaccine low but highest in young men

www.cidrap.umn.edu

There is always a risk/benefit analysis to make.

"In an editorial, JAMA Cardiology Editor Ann Marie Navar, MD, PhD, of the University of Texas, and Deputy Editor Robert Bonow, MD, of Northwestern University, said that the risk of COVID vaccine-related myocarditis is low and outweighed by the benefits of vaccination.
"At the individual level, immunization prevents not only COVID-19–related myocarditis but also severe disease, hospitalization, long-term complications after COVID-19 infection, and death," they wrote.
"At the population level, immunization helps to decrease community spread, decrease the chances of new variants emerging, protect people who are immunocompromised, and ensure how health care system can continue to provide for our communities."


Oh, and there is this-

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

.

We destroyed small businesses and shut down society for a smaller risk of death

 

[Ifallalot]

play sport

What fucking country are you from?

 

[Kento]

Have you ever watched football before?

So he was completely symptomless the entire time (practices, training camps, previous games, etc.) and then magically had a vaccine-induced cardiac arrest?

 

[One-Off]

Horrible take. Stop posting.

No. You stop.

 

[Ifallalot]

So he was completely symptomless the entire time (practices, training camps, previous games, etc.) and then magically had a vaccine-induced cardiac arrest?

That's exactly how it's been happening all over Euro soccer

And you saw that hit. It was nothing special. It cracks me up to hear people who admittedly don't watch and don't like sports to try and describe "a big hit"

 

[Autoprax]

What fucking country are you from?

Watching sport is so passive

It's like watching porn.

I don't like that either

I want to be in the porn

 

[Kento]

That's exactly how it's been happening all over Euro soccer

And you saw that hit. It was nothing special. It cracks me up to hear people who admittedly don't watch and don't like sports to try and describe "a big hit"

Yeah, but their bodies are conditioned towards sudden and random collapse - did they at least draw a yellow card?

Sometimes relatively innocuous-looking things can fuck you. How many ACL injuries have we seen where the guy didn't even get touched? Kyler Murray this season comes immediately to mind.

 

[Kento]

Watching sport is so passive

It's like watching porn.

I don't like that either

I want to be in the porn

Not if you're betting.

Sports that is, not porn.

I'm not sure I want to know what the scoring settings would be for porn.

Nor how you hold a draft.

 

[Ifallalot]

Watching sport is so passive

It's like watching porn.

I don't like that either

I want to be in the porn

I don't care that you don't like it

Don't say "sport"

We say "sports" in the United States. I hate British idioms

 

[PRCD]

Results
Among more than 2.5 million vaccinated HCO members who were 16 years of age or older, 54 cases met the criteria for myocarditis. The estimated incidence per 100,000 persons who had received at least one dose of vaccine was 2.13 cases (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.56 to 2.70). The highest incidence of myocarditis (10.69 cases per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 6.93 to 14.46) was reported in male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. A total of 76% of cases of myocarditis were described as mild and 22% as intermediate; 1 case was associated with cardiogenic shock. After a median follow-up of 83 days after the onset of myocarditis, 1 patient had been readmitted to the hospital, and 1 had died of an unknown cause after discharge. Of 14 patients who had left ventricular dysfunction on echocardiography during admission, 10 still had such dysfunction at the time of hospital discharge. Of these patients, 5 underwent subsequent testing that revealed normal heart function.

Conclusions
Among patients in a large Israeli health care system who had received at least one dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine, the estimated incidence of myocarditis was 2.13 cases per 100,000 persons; the highest incidence was among male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. Most cases of myocarditis were mild or moderate in severity. (Funded by the Ivan and Francesca Berkowitz Family Living Laboratory Collaboration at Harvard Medical School and Clalit Research Institute.)

So they binned everyone (all ages and both sexes) together in the denominator though they know most of the numerator is young men. What’s the rate of acute myocarditis in young men? What’s the rate of subacute inflammation? How many young men never made it to the hospital but died?

 

[Ifallalot]

Yeah, but their bodies are conditioned towards sudden and random collapse - did they at least draw a yellow card?

Sometimes relatively innocuous-looking things can fook you. How many ACL injuries have we seen where the guy didn't even get touched? Kyler Murray this season comes immediately to mind.

Kyler Murray has teh same disease Samuel L Jackson had in Unbreakable