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sussle

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I've been working from home exclusively for at least 15+ years now. I was working for a very small service bureau company since 1992. Worked at Western Digital a few years prior, and others prior to that. Now my own biz, since Jan 2019.

I design Printed Circuit Boards (PCB's) for a wide assortment of tech companies. Anywhere from servers/motherboards, to casino gaming systems, to laser eye surgery, to trucker camera safety systems (we worked on these years before they were in cars today), some military stuff I have no idea what it does (they have to kill me if I did), to R&D high speed IC development test boards. I do CAD only, no PCB fab or assembly. I don't bench test, that's the EE's jobs. I don't even own a soldering iron. So, all I need is a computer and internet access. I learned PCB design when tape-ups on large light tables was common. It was actual physical artwork. PCB design systems cost $100k back in the early 80's. Few but corpos could afford that. Everything is data now, done on PC's, and shipped in the ether.

The owner decided to go into semi-retirement at end of 2018, so I'm taking a fair amount of our customers on myself with my own biz now. It's been an eye opener how much extra costs/taxes go out being your own boss, but write-offs too. I'm making more, but not as "much" more as you might expect, after taxes, paying own med insurance, etc;.

So far, did pretty good for first year, last year. This year started off a bit slow, but picking back up, and customers "say" they have more coming in the months/quarters ahead. I'm a one man show, and do it all for them in PCB design deliverables. My worry is having customers slam me all at once. But usually the work flow seems to balance out, with projects coming in as another is wrapping up. Sometimes, I am working on 4-6 projects at a time at all different stages of completion. Sometimes I'll go a week or 2 with nothing to do. At times they're just updates to existing PCB's that just need a few tweeks. Other times major over-hauls of the layout. Or, all new projects, some that take 6-8 weeks, or more (large motherboard types). Some only a few days (simple little po-dunk circuits).

Any time a new IC comes out, you need a new circuit board to put it on. So, that's my job security, the last almost 40 years now I've been in this industry. The evolution of the PCB industry is crazy. Parts so small now, hard to imagine they can even solder them on a PCB without shorting, even with automation. The PCB fab and assembly industry is mind-blowing.
interesting... i have just semi-retired from a career in IT field service, supporting a wide-range of connected devices. fwiw, have seen a trend in the last couple years of manufacturers' moving towards the Raspberry Pi, or something other off-the-shelf product like it, to control their devices, as opposed to designing proprietary PCBs. just my two cents, have no idea if that has impacted you.
 
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Senor Sopa

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My brother in law is a concrete mason and they are still working (doing Obamas house too) but said they get vibed by all the neighbors. What is essential? A retaining wall? What about a garage addition slab, not essential?
Encinitas, Next door has been going gang buster with construction. Roof fixed, house painted, driveway demoed, rock wall put in, three foot diameter auger drilling for new septic tank, bobcats pushing dirt around. Hold on, I'll run out right now and see what's up.., looks like they're getting everything set for doing new driveway.
 

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interesting... i have just semi-retired from a career in IT field service, supporting a wide-range of connected devices. fwiw, have seen a trend in the last couple years of manufacturers' moving towards the Raspberry Pi, or something other off-the-shelf product like it, to control their devices, as opposed to designing proprietary PCBs. just my two cents, have no idea if that has impacted you.
You might think that. It does happen with generic commercial stuff, But, think of this.......

EVERY piece of electronic equipment you either hold, use on a desk, in a appliance, in a vehicle, view video on, whatever, has a circuit board in it. I only design the "artwork" (all those lines and stuff you see on those green flat things when you open one up) that's used to fabricate, then solder/assemble that circuit board.

Every time a new IC chip comes out, you need either a new circuit board, or update to an existing one.

35-40 years ago, they thought advanced CAD systems would replace me (I learned doing manual tape-ups on light tables, it truly was a 2x or 4x physical artwork on mylar sheets back then). They thought EE's eventually would just have to push a couple buttons on a desktop computer and a PCB design artwork would pop out. Well, as components kept shrinking, and with it, PCB's shrinking, the CAD tech was barely keeping up.

So, it's gotten so complex with the combo of electronics and mechanical constraints miniaturizing ever further, along with voltages dropping to sub 1V on some CPU's power rails, with higher speeds of data transfer, I/O, thermal management, most EE's can't keep up with all the latest in every aspect. Unless they have a lot of time to both design the schematics, debug, AND do the PCB layout, they throw that stuff over the wall to us to do for them. In todays lifespan of the average electronic product, they can't afford weeks and months to waste. Unless it's advanced R&D, but even that's pushed by marketing for quick results.
 
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SteveT

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Are the kids bi lingual?

That is such a good gift to a kid.

When I am in a foreign country and some one I know speaks the language it's like a super power.
This^^^

My wife is fluent in French, the 2 Tahiti trips we did was so easy
 

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35-40 years ago, they thought advanced CAD systems would replace me (I learned doing manual tape-ups on light tables, it truly was a 2x or 4x physical artwork on mylar sheets back then). They thought EE's eventually would just have to push a couple buttons on a desktop computer and a PCB design artwork would pop out. Well, as components kept shrinking, and with it, PCB's shrinking, the CAD tech was barely keeping up.
A lot of R&D is - as you say - getting thrown over the wall to mfg to make it work. More and more effort is being made to take credit for work than do work.
 

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I'm a PO/Scrum Mater/SPOC (a bit of everything) for Web projects... so working like a mofo from home.

Not easy to work with your child roaming about the place.
 

ElOgro

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Are the kids bi lingual?

That is such a good gift to a kid.

When I am in a foreign country and some one I know speaks the language it's like a super power.
Not nearly as much as they should be. It depends on what they want and how bad they want it. Their parents both speak good English and I’ve been telling them forever to teach the kids in parallel...agua - water, etc. Kids at that age are sponges and it’s easy at their age. The longer they wait the more difficult it is. Nobody listens to Turtle. At their own peril. Little fvckers.
 

sussle

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You might think that. It does happen with generic commercial stuff, But, think of this.......

EVERY piece of electronic equipment you either hold, use on a desk, in a appliance, in a vehicle, view video on, whatever, has a circuit board in it. I only design the "artwork" (all those lines and stuff you see on those green flat things when you open one up) that's used to fabricate, then solder/assemble that circuit board.

Every time a new IC chip comes out, you need either a new circuit board, or update to an existing one.

35-40 years ago, they thought advanced CAD systems would replace me (I learned doing manual tape-ups on light tables, it truly was a 2x or 4x physical artwork on mylar sheets back then). They thought EE's eventually would just have to push a couple buttons on a desktop computer and a PCB design artwork would pop out. Well, as components kept shrinking, and with it, PCB's shrinking, the CAD tech was barely keeping up.

So, it's gotten so complex with the combo of electronics and mechanical constraints miniaturizing ever further, along with voltages dropping to sub 1V on some CPU's power rails, with higher speeds of data transfer, I/O, thermal management, most EE's can't keep up with all the latest in every aspect. Unless they have a lot of time to both design the schematics, debug, AND do the PCB layout, they throw that stuff over the wall to us to do for them. In todays lifespan of the average electronic product, they can't afford weeks and months to waste. Unless it's advanced R&D, but even that's pushed by marketing for quick results.
huh, fascinating....if only because i've spent a lifetime troubleshooting electronic problems (down to board level, not component level).

you reminded me of a blind guy i once knew in my SF days, who was an electronics whiz....i can't recall what he did or exactly how he functioned on a technical level without sight, but i'll always the remember the way he described his understanding of PCB's: how the traces on the board were like streets.. the components (IC's, caps, resistors, transistors etc etc) were buildings, each with their own functions... connectors, switches, and relays were doors etc etc. i can't even remember his name, but i can still picture his sightless face, and the way he beamed as he described the secret world of electronics to me. :giggle:
 

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Not nearly as much as they should be. It depends on what they want and how bad they want it. Their parents both speak good English and I’ve been telling them forever to teach the kids in parallel...agua - water, etc. Kids at that age are sponges and it’s easy at their age. The longer they wait the more difficult it is. Nobody listens to Turtle. At their own peril. Little fvckers.
Do you talk to them in English?

Hable mi en espinosa Grandpa!
 

ElOgro

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Do you talk to them in English?

Hable mi en espinosa Grandpa!
Yes.

STFU and GTFO = cállense el hocico y vete a la chingada.

My granddaughter “abuela mí abuelo me dijo get the fuck out.”

My wife “tu abuelo es un hijo de su pinche madre” (son of a bitch)

Like dat.
 

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Every day it gets a little better.

We have been developing a ton of fillable e forms. Pushing paperless into a whole new reality.

The only thing you will need paper for shortly is to wipe your azz.
 

Bob Dobbalina

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I'm out for the year.

Again, I'm grateful to have a job at the moment. I'm running my class like the online college courses that I took over the summer. It's not ideal for High School freshmen and sophomores, but with the difficulties they have just getting to the assignments with all of the other people stuck at home, I'm not trying to complicate things with bells and whistles. I'm fortunate that it happened no because I was missing work on account of my back right before we shut down. At least I don't have to drive 1.5 hours each way.
 
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I absolutely had to go into my office today to print payroll checks. Dedicated printer/check stock. We all as a team are scheduling so no more than 4 people are in the office at any one time.

Community College.

The scary ass thing when I got there this morning. The parking lot I usually park in. All cordoned off. Big tents going up. Security people standing around, keeping people away. It's state property.

Looked like a field hospital going up. Maybe a field Morgue. Creeped me out all day.