White people acting crazy at school board meetings....

[Kento]

education starts at home with the parents first and a school complements second.

Absolutely agreed.

I don't care how slow the schools are going in math. I'll teach them myself on their natural learning arc instead of letting them stagnate.

There are a lot of kids who are way unprepared in 1st/2nd grade both reading and math. It's definitely a challenge for teachers to keep everyone properly engaged, especially with large class sizes.

Not the greatest district in the world but one thing I do appreciate is the 20-24 class size instead of 30+ in a lot other places.

 

[Ifallalot]

My sister is an elementary school teacher and she says the measurements for success are all messed up.

Lots of good work going on in public ed.

The schools reflect the society and they can't fix societal problems.

School choice is not the solution when you consider the mission.

Lack of school choice is race-to-the-bottom equity in action

 

[Ifallalot]

Parents wanting their kids to attend school only with children of other involved parents where it's a classroom and not merely the institution before juvenile detention

That's exactly why there needs to be school choice.

 

[ElOgro]

Mtn High or "high as a mountain"...?

The two weren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

That's exactly why there needs to be school choice.

There's "school choice" now. Parents can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and send the kid to private schools.

Or everyone can choose the best public school in the district, they'll have to limit admissions to the kids that live there, a couple parents with school board connections = what we have now.

Or we can do the Betsy DeVos, funnel piles of money to the same people who run for-profit prisons, "weed out" the problem children, and have an (even more) illiterate underclass who can't count and has easy access to guns and....

IMHO the only solution is gnarly discipline schools for troublemakers or euthanizing the bottom 20-25% of the kids.

 

[mundus]

There's "school choice" now. Parents can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and send the kid to private schools.

Or everyone can choose the best public school in the district, they'll have to limit admissions to the kids that live there, a couple parents with school board connections = what we have now.

Or we can do the Betsy DeVos, funnel piles of money to the same people who run for-profit prisons, "weed out" the problem children, and have an (even more) illiterate underclass who can't count and has easy access to guns and....

IMHO the only solution is gnarly discipline schools for troublemakers or euthanizing the bottom 20-25% of the kids.

Isn't Devos involved in the student loans scams? The Trump administration was staffed by lowest scumbags in America,

 

[utoma]

No.

I’d like to simply not pay the government state school tax. That’s not socialism.

I live in one of the “best” school districts in state/US and I still think it’s garbage with lots to be desired. The environment, culture, age appropriate tech use and direction are all wrong. It doesn’t take money to resolve, just a bit of careful thought and coordination.

So I pay one of the highest school taxes in the country, if not world and pay for NJ private school. Foooooook that but that’s my decision.

education starts at home with the parents first and a school complements second.

You are contradicting yourself. You are saying schooling does not take money to resolve. Yet you pay for NJ private school, because you realize that funding a private school with more money will give you better results?

Median household income is 89,701 for NJ. Lets say 90K. Joint filing for taxes, you will pay $2197 for NJ state tax. Most, if not all of this goes towards NJ education.
Average private school costs 14k-19k in NJ.

So you're paying 7-9 times more, so your kids get a private education. Some people are not so fortunate and must use the public school system. "It doesn't take money to resolve"

 

[hal9000]

There's "school choice" now. Parents can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and send the kid to private schools.

Or everyone can choose the best public school in the district, they'll have to limit admissions to the kids that live there, a couple parents with school board connections = what we have now.

Or we can do the Betsy DeVos, funnel piles of money to the same people who run for-profit prisons, "weed out" the problem children, and have an (even more) illiterate underclass who can't count and has easy access to guns and....

IMHO the only solution is gnarly discipline schools for troublemakers or euthanizing the bottom 20-25% of the kids.

OR everyone can wake the fvk up and realize that the common denominator is childhood poverty.

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

OR everyone can wake the fvk up and realize that the common denominator is childhood poverty.

Disagree a bit. I think there's poor kids from strict households with discipline, where no means no, and the child has an appropriate place to do homework the parents make sure it gets done, and winds up being the realization/embodiment of the parents' American Dream for that child.

Then there's kids who, their parents don't prioritize school. This could be a broken/violent home. It could be a dad in the trades and the kid knows he's going to be an electrician or a plumber or HVAC repair guy and just won't shut the fuck up in class, ever, and brings a friend or three down with him. The Sheriff's kid - maybe he got an earful about how the teachers were taking all his daddy's money at home, because he was another herpes sore on the student body.

 

[afoaf]

No.

I’d like to simply not pay the government state school tax. That’s not socialism.

I live in one of the “best” school districts in state/US and I still think it’s garbage with lots to be desired. The environment, culture, age appropriate tech use and direction are all wrong. It doesn’t take money to resolve, just a bit of careful thought and coordination.

So I pay one of the highest school taxes in the country, if not world and pay for NJ private school. Foooooook that but that’s my decision.

education starts at home with the parents first and a school complements second.

missing from this analysis is the fact that your property/school taxes pay not only for the education of your children, but the education of all children in the affected area; this is why the childless pay and families continue to pay these assessments after the kids are out of school.

an educated population benefits everyone in myriad ways

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

You are contradicting yourself. You are saying schooling does not take money to resolve. Yet you pay for NJ private school, because you realize that funding a private school with more money will give you better results?

Median household income is 89,701 for NJ. Lets say 90K. Joint filing for taxes, you will pay $2197 for NJ state tax. Most, if not all of this goes towards NJ education.
Average private school costs 14k-19k in NJ.

So you're paying 7-9 times more, so your kids get a private education. Some people are not so fortunate and must use the public school system. "It doesn't take money to resolve"

Not included in this is the reality that the kids currently attending private school are generally the cheapest to educate.

 

[Ifallalot]

missing from this analysis is the fact that your property/school taxes pay not only for the education of your children, but the education of all children in the affected area; this is why the childless pay and families continue to pay these assessments after the kids are out of school.

an educated population benefits everyone in myriad ways

So people who pay more property tax should have access to better schools, correct?

 

[hal9000]

Disagree a bit. I think there's poor kids from strict households with discipline, where no means no, and the child has an appropriate place to do homework the parents make sure it gets done, and winds up being the realization/embodiment of the parents' American Dream for that child.

Then there's kids who, their parents don't prioritize school. This could be a broken/violent home. It could be a dad in the trades and the kid knows he's going to be an electrician or a plumber or HVAC repair guy and just won't shut the fuck up in class, ever, and brings a friend or three down with him. The Sheriff's kid - maybe he got an earful about how the teachers were taking all his daddy's money at home, because he was another herpes sore on the student body.

I agree, but I was referring to the wholesale statistics.

students in wealthier districts tend to fare WAY better than kids from poorer districts.

Somewhere buried in this discussion is the idea that when Americans talk about race, they're really talking about class.

 

[Ifallalot]

Somewhere buried in this discussion is the idea that when Americans talk about race, they're really talking about class.

We almost always forget about this. The "white privilege" nonsense gets buried in this as well

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

So people who pay more property tax should have access to better schools, correct?

We already do. School grades and home value generally correlate well.

 

[hal9000]

Not included in this is the reality that the kids currently attending private school are generally the cheapest to educate.

and also:

-parents of private school kids generally pay more for things like sports and extra-curriculars

-parents of private school kids generally have $$ to donate to the school



missing from GrossFlab's magical thinking is the idea that private schools cost WAY more than $15,000, and the fact that they can and will increase tuition every year.

in addition, his system would do nothing to alleviate the problem of "haves and have-nots". Some schools are going to charge double the $15,000, while others will cut corners to cut costs.

also, who's paying for busing these kids?

 

[hal9000]

We already do. School grades and home value generally correlate well.

This is literally the system we currently have.

Property values in NJ are directly correlated with school rankings.

Real estate agents use school rankings as a major selling point

 

[Autoprax]

Lack of school choice is race-to-the-bottom equity in action

You have choice.

You just want the gov to pay for it.

Why are right wingers always the biggest moochers?

 

[Ifallalot]

You have choice.

You just want the gov to pay for it.

Why are right wingers always the biggest moochers?

“Government” doesn’t pay for sh!t

My tax dollars do

Thanks for bringing up the fundamental problem with government and taxation

 

[Autoprax]

“Government” doesn’t pay for sh!t

My tax dollars do

Thanks for bringing up the fundamental problem with government and taxation

You forgot to write Gotcha!

Why not move to a country that doesn't have taxes?