What's Ukraine worth to the United States and you?

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Russian foreign minister says the US is “directly at war” with Moscow
From CNN’s Sahar Akbarzai
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that the United States and other allies of Ukraine are “directly at war” with Moscow.
Lavrov had been asked by a journalist at what point the US becomes directly involved in war against Russia, as opposed to engaged in a proxy conflict.
“You can call this whatever you want to call this, but they are directly at war with us. We can call this a hybrid war, but that doesn’t change the reality,” Lavrov said. “They are effectively engaged in hostilities with us, using the Ukrainians as fodder,” he added.
The foreign minister said the US, the United Kingdom and many others are “waging war” against Russia and are engaged in hostilities against the country.
Lavrov said the US and other countries are delivering greater and greater quantities of weapons to Kyiv, while military satellites and intelligence aircraft from the countries are also used against Moscow.
Some context: Moscow has often framed its invasion of Ukraine, which it usually refers to as a “special military operation,” as a struggle against attempts by Western powers to dominate on a global stage.
Kyiv’s allies and international bodies have dismissed this characterization, saying they are helping defend Ukraine from an unprovoked invasion and attempt to seize territory.
 

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Russian foreign minister says the US is “directly at war” with Moscow
From CNN’s Sahar Akbarzai
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that the United States and other allies of Ukraine are “directly at war” with Moscow.
Lavrov had been asked by a journalist at what point the US becomes directly involved in war against Russia, as opposed to engaged in a proxy conflict.
“You can call this whatever you want to call this, but they are directly at war with us. We can call this a hybrid war, but that doesn’t change the reality,” Lavrov said. “They are effectively engaged in hostilities with us, using the Ukrainians as fodder,” he added.
The foreign minister said the US, the United Kingdom and many others are “waging war” against Russia and are engaged in hostilities against the country.
Lavrov said the US and other countries are delivering greater and greater quantities of weapons to Kyiv, while military satellites and intelligence aircraft from the countries are also used against Moscow.
Some context: Moscow has often framed its invasion of Ukraine, which it usually refers to as a “special military operation,” as a struggle against attempts by Western powers to dominate on a global stage.
Kyiv’s allies and international bodies have dismissed this characterization, saying they are helping defend Ukraine from an unprovoked invasion and attempt to seize territory.
Thank you ser, welcome to earth
 

Ifallalot

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"that you think a unbiased view"

I don't you know what that word means by the way you used it in this context.
Who doesn’t know what unbiased means? :roflmao:

the strawman is you resorting to personal attacks in both of these posts, like usual

the hypotheticals are unbiased in this rhetorical because we’re removing the good and evil attributes of WWII and instead talking about ways the US could have avoided the war in Europe
 

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Russian foreign minister says the US is “directly at war” with Moscow
From CNN’s Sahar Akbarzai
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that the United States and other allies of Ukraine are “directly at war” with Moscow.
Lavrov had been asked by a journalist at what point the US becomes directly involved in war against Russia, as opposed to engaged in a proxy conflict.
“You can call this whatever you want to call this, but they are directly at war with us. We can call this a hybrid war, but that doesn’t change the reality,” Lavrov said. “They are effectively engaged in hostilities with us, using the Ukrainians as fodder,” he added.
The foreign minister said the US, the United Kingdom and many others are “waging war” against Russia and are engaged in hostilities against the country.
Lavrov said the US and other countries are delivering greater and greater quantities of weapons to Kyiv, while military satellites and intelligence aircraft from the countries are also used against Moscow.
Some context: Moscow has often framed its invasion of Ukraine, which it usually refers to as a “special military operation,” as a struggle against attempts by Western powers to dominate on a global stage.
Kyiv’s allies and international bodies have dismissed this characterization, saying they are helping defend Ukraine from an unprovoked invasion and attempt to seize territory.
Same Lavrov who Chump was buddies with?
 

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Were they gassing and genociding us?

Didn't we genocide a whole continent while enslaving millions of other people less than a century before? How about the failed conquest of the Philippines in the beginning of the 20th Century? What about our allies in WWII that were genociding their own people in the same time period?

This incorrect clearly delineated line of good and evil is what I mean by an MCU version of history. There are no "good" nations and no "evil" nations. We can only hope to do what it takes to protect every citizen of our country even if it means evil things happen elsewhere
This is from NATO’s official account. They literally believe they’re the protagonists in the Marvel Cinematic Universe:

This reminds me of Norm MaDonald’s famous quip, “I’ve been reading history and -it’s crazy! - the good guys always win!”
 
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It's incredible that you think a unbiased view unclouded by almost a century of propaganda is somehow "teenage fantasy"

"Teenage fantasy" is a code word for "things Autoprax disagrees with". At least you don't use "fascism"
I love the prideful condescension here...all without actually expressing this untainted world view of his!

I can't wait to hear this one
 

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I love the prideful condescension here...all without actually expressing this untainted world view of his!

I can't wait to hear this one
Out of curiosity, what involvement do you think the US should have in the Russian/Ukraine conflict?

IMO either smoke the ruskies or take it home.
 

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Out of curiosity, what involvement do you think the US should have in the Russian/Ukraine conflict?

IMO either smoke the ruskies or take it home.
I think the slow drain is tactical.

Like boiling a frog.

We are getting rid of all our old weapons and ammo.

Decommissioning it is $$$$$$$$$.

It's a win/win.

I love that Russia invades a country and then plays the victim.

It's erbb level retarded.

Are any of you guys Putin?
 
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I think the slow drain is tactical.

Like boiling a frog.

We are getting rid of all our old weapons and ammo.

Decommissioning it is $$$$$$$$$.

It's a win/win.

I love that Russia invades a country and then plays the victim.

It's erbb level retarded.
I don’t think the slow drain will do anything other than prolong the human suffering. See Randy Newman, Political Science.
 
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I don’t think the slow drain will do anything other than prolong the human suffering. See Randy Newman, Political Science.
Talk to putin?

He's like the black band leader.

A dick.

If the ukraninas want to fight, who are we to stop them?

It's not like the US is forcing you Ukrane to take its old army stuff.

They want it.

I hate bullies.

If some stronger country invaded your country and stole your kids wouldn't you want to fight them?

If some country gave you weapons to fight then wouldn't you use them?
 
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Talk to putin?

He's like the black band leader.

A dick.

If the ukraninas want to fight, who are we to stop them?

It's not like the US is forcing you Ukrane to take its old army stuff.

They want it.

I hate bullies.

If some stronger country invaded your country and stole your kids wouldn't you want to fight them?

If some country gave you weapons to fight then wouldn't you use them?
You can’t talk to people like that.

You're doing something here that you accuse others of doing.

I’m too old to be fighting anybody. You too. You don’t have any kids to send. My son did a tour in Afghanistan. I didn’t send him. Obama did.

Yes, but I’d want to know what the country’s long term commitment is. At the present rate the Ukraine is gonna be a pile of rubble. That’s what Putin wants.
 
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You can’t talk to people like that.

You're doing something here that you accuse others of doing.

I’m too old to be fighting anybody. You too. You don’t have any kids to send. My son did a tour in Afghanistan. I didn’t send him. Obama did.

Yes, but I’d want to know what the country’s long term commitment is. At the present rate the Ukraine is gonna be a pile of rubble. That’s what Putin wants.
Talk to whom like what?

I don't agree it's going to be a pile of rubble. Look at how much land Russia subsumed. Like 20% at a very high cost.

They were supposed to take the whole country 4 days.

Destroying it is sour grapes

And now they are "Wah wah wah. The US didn't let us subsume Ukraine!"

Putin is hoping Thruster wins and will save him.

So the plan is wide open.

I say keep giving them our old weapons and see what happens.

#ihatebullies
 
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