What's so bad about the "Progressive Agenda"?

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Nearly two million non-English speaking military-age men from mostly socialist or communist countries illegally marched across our southern border last year. Why does that not concern you?
 

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You imagine that you do.

What are the main causes of Mental illness and drug addiction?
Often some form of trauma is the cause. Why do you think the suicide rate of war veterans is so high. Trauma can also trigger a dormant genetic trait for mental illness sending a person into a spiral.

Two things that need to be addressed are the stigma that mental illness carries for all parties it effects. Like cancer or diabetes, almost everyone has a friend or family member that is suffering. The issue is no one will talk about it because they are afraid of being judged (I'm guilty of this). The fact the fact we have a thread dedicated to mental health is a big step forward. While I don't comment on it I relate to a lot of what is being written and it's helpful to know that one is not alone in their journey when things get $hitty.

The second thing is that professional therapy needs to be more accessible. If I could afford it, I'd go once a week. It was a huge help for me and my family when we suffered a horrible tragedy a couple of years ago. While that trauma didn't lead to homelessness, it was a very difficult time mentally and I can easily see that if you had the genetics for a diagnosed illness how easy it could be to spiral out of control and wind up on the street.

Read Chasing the Scream. Very eye opening in regards to the effects of trauma.
 
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npsp describing the liberal agenda. Thanks! Progressive! And grapedrink is all "yeah!, let's fund these social programs."
I'm not against social programs that are run well and actually benefit the public. I'd much rather spend tax $$$$ on well run social programs that benefit everyone than bailout a 20something dolt that got themselves into $80K of student loan debt.

My issue with liberals and progressives is that they are ruled by a cornucopia of special interest groups and grifters. That can be said about conservatives too.
My issue is that trillions of $$$$ gets wasted while it could be spent in ways that benefit everyone. As it stands, that $$$$ only benefits the grifter class. Pelosi and McConnell are the queen and king of this ruling class. Then you got Trump who's in a class all his own and we have good old Newsom steering us in CA into an iceberg.

The guy standing in the middle of Hancock St. in front of our offices on Monday screaming "fvvk" over and over again at the top of his lungs should not be on the street. My tax $$$$ should be spent getting him the help he needs. It doesn't and that is sad.
 

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I'd much rather spend tax $$$$ on well run social programs that benefit everyone than bailout a 20something dolt that got themselves into $80K of student loan debt.
What about the fifty something dolts that pursued meaningful careers in public service (like social program) for relatively low wages. Or are you dolt enough to assume that meaningful social programs pay well?
 
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Two things that need to be addressed are the stigma that mental illness carries for all parties it effects. Like cancer or diabetes, almost everyone has a friend or family member that is suffering. The issue is no one will talk about it because they are afraid of being judged (I'm guilty of this). The fact the fact we have a thread dedicated to mental health is a big step forward. While I don't comment on it I relate to a lot of what is being written and it's helpful to know that one is not alone in their journey when things get $hitty.
Anybody remember Thomas Eagleton?
 

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Let’s see the studies or statistic, my alleged fact lover.
I should clarify. In terms of severe mental illness and especially schizophrenia, that is largely hereditary. They have little chance of functioning independently in society without some medical intervention and assistance. Same is true for some who have various forms of depression. It's a bad roll of the genetic dice and often uncureable because it is hard wired into them.

Like NPSP mentioned, there are also many who have had some sort of trauma. This cohort is far more likely to respond to help and can come in off the streets with the right assistance and go on to live a normal life. Many addicts can also trace their addiction back to some sort of trauma. It sucks, but at the end of day you can't undo whatever trauma they experienced.

There are both mentally ill and drug addicted people on streets who come from loving and economically stable families who would be willing to take them in or at least support their recovery in some kind of way. The challenge is that you can't force those people off the streets, even when help is available, and in lots of cases it simply does not work.
 
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"My issue with liberals and progressives is that they are ruled by a cornucopia of special interest groups and grifters. That can be said about conservatives too."

um, ok
 

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See above. Homeless pop in Jacksonville is decreasing. Not so in LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, NY…

The clear reality is that progressive policies increase homelessness.
Maybe LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, NY are just nice places to live, homeless or not? :shrug:
I've never been to Jacksonville so I can't say, but I've never even remotely entertained the idea of moving there. SF and NY yes.

I might be way off, but I've always thought that LA's homeless population has as much to do with the weather as with any policy. Didn't someone post up a video interviewing homeless people on Venice Beach and most of them CAME here from somewhere else?

Does anyone here actually work with homeless people? I did for a few years in the late 80's and the one thing I learned is, to use Sharky's term, they are multivairate. They are individuals. It takes effort to see past the dirt and dishevelment and find the human being. And some don't want to be found. Others, once you acknowledge their humanity, will vent to no end. The folks I worked with never proposed any grand scheme to end the "problem." They just helped one person at a time in whatever way they could, with limtied means and an open heart, expecting nothing in return, least of all gratitude (that was something I had to learn- some people were grateful but a lot of them, you could give them the shirt off your back and they'd take it like they were owed). Those folks are still there, fighting the good fight. After over fifty years I doubt they expect an end or solution to the "problem."
 
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I should clarify. In terms of severe mental illness and especially schizophrenia, that is largely hereditary. They have little chance of functioning independently in society without some medical intervention and assistance. Same is true for some who have various forms of depression. It's a bad roll of the genetic dice and often uncureable because it is hard wired into them.

Like NPSP mentioned, there are also many who have had some sort of trauma. This cohort is far more likely to respond to help and can come in off the streets with the right assistance and go on to live a normal life. Many addicts can also trace their addiction back to some sort of trauma. It sucks, but at the end of day you can't undo whatever trauma they experienced.

There are both mentally ill and drug addicted people on streets who come from loving and economically stable families who would be willing to take them in or at least support their recovery in some kind of way. The challenge is that you can't force those people off the streets, even when help is available, and in lots of cases it simply does not work.
Schizophrenia may be largely hereditary. I don’t know that clinical depression leads to homelessness and you haven’t supported the claim that it does in any way.

There is a correlation between poverty and mental illness, such as studies like the following show.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aay0214
 
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It's multi variate. And one of the main variables is poverty. Intergenerational poverty, which contributes to intergenerational trauma. And systemic racism contributes to intergenerational poverty.
 
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Schizophrenia may be largely hereditary
Seems to be the consensus with schizophrenia and often with other related disorders, which tend to be the mentally ill most present on the streets.

don’t know that clinical depression leads to homelessness and you haven’t supported the claim that it does in any way.
Never said it did, I was making the broader point that many types of mental illness are hereditary. Like addiction, depression can also be situational.

Either way, addiction and mental health are the primary drivers of how people end up and stay on the streets. Those who become homeless because of economic hard times often respond very well to assistance.
 
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It's multi variate. And one of the main variables is poverty. Intergenerational poverty, which contributes to intergenerational trauma. And systemic racism contributes to intergenerational poverty.
Interesting fact. 70% of the blacks have been able to over come the obsticals systematic racism puts in their way.

We should be targeting that 30% and not make it about race.

We have advocates telling blacks kids at my school they are victims of racism.

I call BS.

Those kids are fine.

What you want is to be smart, good looking, and industrious.

That is where the inequality lies. Ugly, stupid lazy people are fucked.

They should have programs for those loosers
 
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