What’s happening to regular pneumonia deaths

Leaverite

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Most people now do not die from real pneumonia. This sh!t kills your lung tissue. Why you catch it and are dead 3 days later.
 

Mike_Jones

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Normally pneumonia results from bacterial infection. Often it is the result of viral infection. Social distancing has to have interfered with the spread of all bacteria and viruses.
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Duffy LaCoronilla

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Once you throw money at a problem there’s a financial incentive to make sure the problem is as big as possible.

It’s simple math. Payments will passed out based on numbers. Bigger numbers - more money.

Is this news to people?
 

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Normally pneumonia results from bacterial infection. Often it is the result of viral infection. Social distancing has to have interfered with the spread of all bacteria and viruses.
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Deadly pneumonia as a cause of death is usually a secondary or tertiary condition to other underlying illnesses which isn't spread by social contact. Aspiration pneumonia for instance has nothing to do with social contact. Nor does pneumonia caused by heart disease or diabetes. Elderly and sick people have low functioning immune systems and contact with everyday germs can result in pneumonia. Again, this has nothing to do with social contact. So these thousands and thousands of deaths have either stopped, have stopped being counted, or are winding up in a different bucket.
 

casa_mugrienta

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It’s strange. The normal fatality numbers for flu and pneumonia have fallen off a cliff. Are we saving thousands of lives a week all of a sudden?
IMHO they are likely overclassifying and will then revise the data at a later date.

At the same time I would imagine some patients who were highly susceptible to flu and pneumonia are simply dying of COVID 19, which is more easily spread and more virulent.

For instance, If you have 100 patients at a long term care center where 1 in 10 normally contract the flu or pnuemonia and die, but there is an outbreak of COVID 19 in the facility and 1 in 5 die of COVID 19... is COVID 19 simply taking the place of the standard flu and pneumonia deaths?

BTW, if you want a non-fearmongering, no media bullshit approach to COVID-19, listen to this guy - he's an ICU doc who has been way ahead of the curve on everything.

In today's video he presents some really interesting data - it's pretty impressive how males are so much more affected than females.

 

kidfury

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I’ll give you the aspiration, but the others must have a community acquired component
 

casa_mugrienta

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Normally pneumonia results from bacterial infection. Often it is the result of viral infection. Social distancing has to have interfered with the spread of all bacteria and viruses.
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Anecdotally this appears to be the case as well, at least in the case of both adult and pediatric hospitals locally.

It's kinda amazing.
 

casa_mugrienta

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Once you throw money at a problem there’s a financial incentive to make sure the problem is as big as possible.

It’s simple math. Payments will passed out based on numbers. Bigger numbers - more money.

Is this news to people?
At the same time it seems these patients present a distinct pattern.

Oxygen needs increase from minimal to unsustainable levels over a period of minutes. Like 5 minutes.

Intubation, then lack of improvement, then death.

So, if a patient was swabbed for COVID 19 some days ago but dies 3 days before the results are back but "fits the profile" they might be classifying the death as COVID19 based on certain mandated guidelines.

If the patient comes back negative then it has to be reported and revised.
 

Ifallalot

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Normally pneumonia results from bacterial infection. Often it is the result of viral infection. Social distancing has to have interfered with the spread of all bacteria and viruses.
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This means we better practice social distancing forever

It's for your safety!
 

Ifallalot

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IMHO they are likely overclassifying and will then revise the data at a later date.

At the same time I would imagine some patients who were highly susceptible to flu and pneumonia are simply dying of COVID 19, which is more easily spread and more virulent.

For instance, If you have 100 patients at a long term care center where 1 in 10 normally contract the flu or pnuemonia and die, but there is an outbreak of COVID 19 in the facility and 1 in 5 die of COVID 19... is COVID 19 simply taking the place of the standard flu and pneumonia deaths?

BTW, if you want a non-fearmongering, no media bullshit approach to COVID-19, listen to this guy - he's an ICU doc who has been way ahead of the curve on everything.

In today's video he presents some really interesting data - it's pretty impressive how males are so much more affected than females.

What about the other 57 genders? :)
 

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IMHO they are likely overclassifying and will then revise the data at a later date.

At the same time I would imagine some patients who were highly susceptible to flu and pneumonia are simply dying of COVID 19, which is more easily spread and more virulent.

For instance, If you have 100 patients at a long term care center where 1 in 10 normally contract the flu or pnuemonia and die, but there is an outbreak of COVID 19 in the facility and 1 in 5 die of COVID 19... is COVID 19 simply taking the place of the standard flu and pneumonia deaths?

This seems to me to be infinitely more likely to be the case than some insidious, concerted effort to misrepresent coronavirus death numbers
 
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GromsDad

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I see now... yeah! The docs over at the ERs must be intentionally misrepresenting the death certs they sign off on because they want to inflame hysteria. Got it.
You have to admit that many many people die every year due to pneumonia. If the government is now essentially calling all cases of pneumonia Covid19 that would have occurred anyway had there been no Covid19 you would have to admit that would be a massive fraud.

There is an old saying that goes something like "Figures Lie and Liars Figure". Statistics get misused all the time and there may be a certain level of that going on here. How much we may never know.
 

Mike_Jones

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This might be your answer. Deaths are being listed as caused by CV19 even if they are only suspected that way.
Doctors treating CV19 patients are busy right now.....

From CDC Website: Hospitals to List COVID-19 as Cause of Death Even if It's "Assumed to Have Caused Or Contributed to Death" - Lab Tests Not Required

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April 4, 2020

.....The amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

A new ICD code was established to keep track of Coronavirus deaths.

The U07.1 code will be used for death by Coronavirus infection.

However, there’s another secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” the CDC guidelines read.

“Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.”

This is a huge problem.

It gets worse…

The amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

A new ICD code was established to keep track of Coronavirus deaths.

The U07.1 code will be used for death by Coronavirus infection.

However, there’s another secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” the CDC guidelines read.

“Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.”

This is a huge problem.

“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” CDC guidelines issued March 24 read.
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