Wasn’t there a poster here that mentioned this (regarding covid) a few times?

[grapedrink]

Can you learn to stop suffering from depression?

So now you're bringing depression into this? Move goalposts much?

To answer your question, I don't think a mindset change is enough in isolation for most who suffer from depression, especially if there is a genetic and/or chemical component to it. I do think there is a "skill" to happiness in terms of having a better mindset where you appreciate what you have and seeking contentment instead of fleeting emotions of "happiness". Although that is part of a broader strategy that also includes a combination of lifestyle change, counseling, exercise, and/or medication. Some psychologists now consider exercise to be one of the crucial legs of the stool for depression.

For weight loss, transitioning away from processed and restaurant foods into whole foods is not easy, but doable for most and will get results. It does take work, just like almost everything else worthwhile in life.

 

[Ifallalot]

You got a brain, you know just as well as everyone else being fat and out of shape isn't as healthy as being fit and not fat. Surprised you fall for the marketing of Cosmo and would use it to try to prove yourself wrong. What other things do you disagree with that you use to try and prove your self right?

oNLy 0n R3dd!T....

I seem to remember people having no problem with banning dangerous ideas they disagree with...

 

[test_article]

Don't enable.

 

[Autoprax]

drnadolsky All of my posts come from interactions with patients or from commenters. I couldn’t come up with most of this sh!t if I tried.

I’ve noticed that some have insinuated that obesity comes from disordered eating or that obesity itself is an eating disorder. While having binge eating disorder can contribute to obesity, it’s not actually present in most with obesity.

As mentioned yesterday, it’s mostly a long term passive occurrence. Having a genetic propensity to it while being surrounded by yummy ultra processed foods will have that effect.

Anyway, this does a disservice to both those with eating disorders and those with obesity. You can have both. They can contribute to each other too. But they aren’t one in the same.

 

[test_article]

In my working class hero life, I labored at remote oil production sites 12-hour days for weeks at a time. We had excellent food. That and the pay made up for the remoteness, the paucity of women and the daily work conditions. The food was a real morale booster. Food can help one cope.

 

[Driftcoast]

oNLy 0n R3dd!T....

I seem to remember people having no problem with banning dangerous ideas they disagree with...

Who was this person? Who wants to ban what ideas?

 

[Autoprax]

The key is to get lean and strong and workout hard for 45 minutes 4-6 times a week.

Then you can eat what you want for pleasure.

I notice when I am lean and in good shape I crave good food.

Now I'm fat I eat doughnuts and In and Out and bean burritos.

I'm surprised I'm not fat like Fat Carl fat.

Maybe I am and I am in denial like he is?

 

[plasticbertrand]

So now you're bringing depression into this? Move goalposts much?

To answer your question, I don't think a mindset change is enough in isolation for most who suffer from depression, especially if there is a genetic and/or chemical component to it. I do think there is a "skill" to happiness in terms of having a better mindset where you appreciate what you have and seeking contentment instead of fleeting emotions of "happiness". Although that is part of a broader strategy that also includes a combination of lifestyle change, counseling, exercise, and/or medication. Some psychologists now consider exercise to be one of the crucial legs of the stool for depression.

For weight loss, transitioning away from processed and restaurant foods into whole foods is not easy, but doable for most and will get results. It does take work, just like almost everything else worthwhile in life.

Not moving goalposts at all, depression and overeating go hand in hand.

Metabolic Syndrome and Depression: A Cross-Sectional Analysis

Article Abstract Objective: To examine the prevalence of the metabolic syndrome in depressive outpatients and to identify its correlates in depression. Method: This cross-sectional analysis was performed on 121 depressive outpatients from January 2002 through January 2004 who were diagnosed at...

www.psychiatrist.com

You are disgregarding the fact that people overeat for a reason.

If it was that easy, everybody would be athletic and healthy.

It figures you can't see this, being empathetically challenged and all.

You and ifailalot both, NPD.

 

[plasticbertrand]

The most common underlying problems are poor decision making and lack of discipline.

What's the reason for that?

Why would people want to be fat and poor?

Also, link?

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

What's the reason for that?

Why would people want to be fat and poor?

Also, link?

People tend to take the easy path. Being fat is easy.

It’s not that people want to be fat. People DON’T want to do what needs to be done to be lean. I can totally understand that too. I don’t want to forego cookies and ice cream and beer and soda and late night bowls of cereal but I do forego those things even though it’s hard.

I don’t know why you keep bringing up poor people. I’m not talking about poor people. I’m talking about fat people.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Not moving goalposts at all, depression and overeating go hand in hand.

Metabolic Syndrome and Depression: A Cross-Sectional Analysis

Article Abstract Objective: To examine the prevalence of the metabolic syndrome in depressive outpatients and to identify its correlates in depression. Method: This cross-sectional analysis was performed on 121 depressive outpatients from January 2002 through January 2004 who were diagnosed at...

www.psychiatrist.com

You are disgregarding the fact that people overeat for a reason.

If it was that easy, everybody would be athletic and healthy.

It figures you can't see this, being empathetically challenged and all.

You and ifailalot both, NPD.

My depression made me lose weight, which just about as common as weight gain.

The Relationship Between Weight Loss and Depression

For many people, depression can have a direct impact on their weight and can vary depending on the person. In some cases, depression might lead to losing appetite, poor food choices, or even missing meals. Let’s have a closer look at the relationship between weight loss and depression.

tailormadehealth.com

Also depression is treatable. One thing that can help fat depressed people is losing weight.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Being locked up at home isolated and alone and afraid of a virus, fear based largely on what your only only portal to the outside world (tv news) is telling you, is probably one of the most depressing things that can be done to a person.

Then that depression may result in weight gain which makes you more vulnerable to very thing from which you are cowering in fearful isolation.

Put the fork down, go outside.

Start right now.

 

[grapedrink]

Not moving goalposts at all, depression and overeating go hand in hand.

Metabolic Syndrome and Depression: A Cross-Sectional Analysis

Article Abstract Objective: To examine the prevalence of the metabolic syndrome in depressive outpatients and to identify its correlates in depression. Method: This cross-sectional analysis was performed on 121 depressive outpatients from January 2002 through January 2004 who were diagnosed at...

www.psychiatrist.com

You are disgregarding the fact that people overeat for a reason.

If it was that easy, everybody would be athletic and healthy.

It figures you can't see this, being empathetically challenged and all.

You and ifailalot both, NPD.

So of the 40% of Americans that are obese, what % also suffer from clinical depression? I imagine that the variation in depression and mental illness rates from country to country are much smaller in comparison to obesity rates.

To your point, yes, i agree that there are underlying emotional issues for those who are obese. It's a self perpetuating cycle where being overweight causes them to feel depressed about themselves, so they eat to feel better. Addressing emotional triggers should be part of any path to improved long term health.

The difference is that many who suffer from depression can be almost perfect with their lifestyle and personal care yet still require medical intervention to feel better. That is not true for obesity, where nearly everyone is capable of improving their health outcomes with lifestyle changes.

 

[Autoprax]

People tend to take the easy path. Being fat is easy.

It’s not that people want to be fat. People DON’T want to do what needs to be done to be lean. I can totally understand that too. I don’t want to forego cookies and ice cream and beer and soda and late night bowls of cereal but I do forego those things even though it’s hard.

I don’t know why you keep bringing up poor people. I’m not talking about poor people. I’m talking about fat people.

poor people are fat?

 

[kpd73]

MSN

Article from MSN


Doesn't specify if the mice in the study were depressed though...

 

[Lance Mannion]

poor people are fat?

Yes.

 

[Autoprax]

Yes.

why do you hate CJ?

 

[hammies]

Why would people want to be fat and poor?

Poor men tend to be fit, they often work manual labor.
Poor women tend to be fat and have sedentary lifestyles.

Rich men tend to be fat, they ride desks and eat heavy.
Rich women tend to be fit, they go to gyms and have trainers.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

poor people are fat?

Then they aren’t really all that poor are they?

 

[Autoprax]

Then they aren’t really all that poor are they?

fattening food is cheap?