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US Supreme Court upholds individual right to bear arms.
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Read up on Kennesaw, Georgia, and Morton Grove, Illinois.
Morton Grove banned guns in the early 80s, and Kennesaw passed a law requiring gun ownership in every home.
Since then, Kennesaw's population has quadrupled and the crime rate has fallen to become the lowest of any size town in the USA. Morton Grove saw an immediate increase in crime after the gun bill passed, and has maintained a higher crime rate, with a slight decrease in population.
Put a gun in every home. The fault lies with the jerk on the trigger, not the gun.
Morton Grove banned guns in the early 80s, and Kennesaw passed a law requiring gun ownership in every home.
Since then, Kennesaw's population has quadrupled and the crime rate has fallen to become the lowest of any size town in the USA. Morton Grove saw an immediate increase in crime after the gun bill passed, and has maintained a higher crime rate, with a slight decrease in population.
Put a gun in every home. The fault lies with the jerk on the trigger, not the gun.
Currently, where I live, I reckon it's more dangerous to have a gun in my home than to not have one. If law enforcement officers lost the ability to control my neighborhood, then I suppose the risk of being injured by a criminal would outweigh the risk of my being injured by my own gun in my own home. At that point I would get a gun. But the truth is, as stinkeye pointed out, we screwed up a long, long time ago in this country, allowing the production, importation, and possession of firearms by just about everybody.
Stinkeye wrote that. What do you think he meant by it? It seems he is stating, when he writes "The cat's out of the bag," that there are too many firearms available in the United States. Available to criminals and non-criminals alike. When he added, "and it's never going back in," he is implying that gun control laws will now be ineffective, and it would now be better for non-criminals to arm themselves against criminals and to have the right to protect themselves with a firearm as they go about their day to day lives, rather than to rely on any legal attempts to restricting a criminal's access to firearms. At some point the "cat" was "in the bag," i.e. there weren't too many firearms available in the United States, and now the "cat" is "out of the bag," and for whatever reason, there are too many firearms in the United States. For some reason the production, importation, and possession of firearms by individuals was not restricted, and now the "cat's out of the bag."
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The cat is out of the bag.
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The cat is out of the bag.
"The cat's out of the bag" is a little misleading. It implies that gun ownership was, at some time, lower than it is today. I think the contrary is definitely true - that there are fewer guns per household in the USA than ever before, and that this number has been more or less decreasing for over 200 years.
There are societies with more guns than the USA and less crime, and societies with no guns and less crime. Face facts, the USA is a violent society in the context of high per capita income nations. This is as true of knife violence as it is of gun violence.
But attempts to restrict guns (ban them) result in more person-on-person crime, not less. And the US society has ALWAYS placed more value on the right to defend yourself than on the right to deprive the suicidal or homicidal of access to a gun. That's the fundamental crux here. You would have to believe
1) that a gun ban could be effectively carried out
2) that such a ban would be beneficial enough in terms of reduced homicide and suicide that it would be worth the loss in self-protection
Nearly everyone doubts point 1), and most of America doesn't believe in point 2) either.
Case closed.
Killing people with a gun is almost voyeuristic. The distance from the victim makes it seem like you are not really part of the action but are something more of an observer.
Now a knife on the other hand ...
Well, you really have to get close to your victim. You feel their warm sweaty chin in your hand. You can feel their breath on your cheek until you sink the blade deep into their bowels letting loose the demons that live inside there. The demons escape in a warm gush of red and the victim slumps in your arms ... heavy ... free.
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Now a knife on the other hand ...
Well, you really have to get close to your victim. You feel their warm sweaty chin in your hand. You can feel their breath on your cheek until you sink the blade deep into their bowels letting loose the demons that live inside there. The demons escape in a warm gush of red and the victim slumps in your arms ... heavy ... free.
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Oh you got the point. That's whay you took the time and effort to change the quote back. I changed it back again. So you can not respond to it again. Because you can't.
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If you are so hot to ban things because you are so concerned about the deaths of innocent people, lets talk about how many people booze kills. Drunk drivers kill around 40 thousand + people a year. But that’s only the tip of the iceberg. There’s all those people that drink themselves to death. Arguably, they are doing it to themselves. I wouldn’t include that. But since you like to ad in firearm suicides, why not? Same thing. Then we can talk about the link between violent crime and alcohol. Statistically that one is horrendous. Did you know that alcohol is responsible for more crime than all the illegal drugs combined?
Doesn’t all that death and destruction bother you? The deaths of innocents? The senseless slaughter of people who have done nothing wrong?
How come you don’t want to ban alcohol?
And the law against carrying knives in the UK hasn’t done much good has it? Lots of stabbings, aren’t there? Matter of fact, the rate of violent crime in the UK is higher than it is in the US, isn’t it? There’s a success story for you.
Do a little sociology research and come back when you figure out whether regular church attendance positively, or negatively, correlates with crime and gun use rates in a person by person sample. The answers are out there, and, surprise surprise, when people attend church regularly they are less likely to commit crimes, and less likely to use guns in criminal acts.
Atheists, OTOH, are well-known to be, on the whole, very stingy in their charitable donations. Coincidence?
Ban mousetraps. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cussing.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Hunting is a legitimate sport, and is even protected in some areas. It is also used as a cost-effective population control.
Guns are also used for self-defense, and for protection of ones possessions from people and animals. They are not designed only to kill PEOPLE, and their use in killing non-human animals has a lot of benefits.
Or are you anti-hunting too?!?!
Guns are not only, or even principally, used to kill people. They are used for defense and hunting, as they have been used for hundreds of years. Only criminals and armies buy guns to kill people. Most guns are bought for defense or hunting.
The hole that everyone leaves out are stray bullets. YOu don't see a stray knife kill an innocent (well, aside from that one guy in the movie Desperado). WAY too many people completely out of the fray have been killed by stray bullets.
Is it possible to get guns completely out of this society? I doubt it.
However, for every proponent of the Wild West mentality, the blood of the innocent is partially on your hands. Imagine how you would all feel if it was someone close to you who walked out of a store or some such straight into a stray bullet. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />
Wouldn’t stray bullets killing innocent bystanders be a lot like drunk drivers mowing people down on the sidewalk? An out of control projectile is exactly what happens when someone gets behind the wheel drunk. Only in that case, the projectile weighs over a ton instead of a few grains and has the ability to take out a house or an entire family walking/driving down the street.
I just find it amusing that alcohol kills as many or more innocent people than guns, and yet there is little outcry. But I guess they are less dead because the alcohol wasn’t designed with killing intent.
Somebody should carve that on their tombstones.
BUT HERE IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER THAT THE ANTI GUN PEOPLE WILL NEVER DISCUSS HERE, OR IN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS SUBJECT.
(And, like every other single time I have posted this, with sources and links, they ignore it, don’t want to talk about it, and/or change the subject or just go away)
1. In EVERY single state/municipality that has instituted strict gun control, the rate of gun/violent crime has gone UP.
2. In EVERY single state/municipality that has instituted relaxed concealed carry laws (Meaning if you have no history of mental instability or drug use, are not a convicted felon and are able to pass the prescribed courses, you have a right to carry a handgun concealed on your person) the rate of gun/violent crime has gone DOWN.
Given the above, how do you rationalize banning guns in this country? How do you get past that? I would really love to hear SOMEONE… ANYONE from the anti gun contingent address the above points, one and two. How do you explain the above?
Why have strict gun laws always resulted in INCREASED gun crime in this country?
Why have liberalized concealed carry laws always resulted in DECREASED gun crime in this country?
Tell me how you rationalize that?
I’d really like to know.
Hey, I'm with you on a lot of what you're saying.
I definitely agree about the comparison between drunk driving and stray bullets - both are unforgiveable and should be punished in a draconian fashion. Semi-auto and auto weapons also have the ability to take out more than just one.
I also agree about the rates of violence going down if everyone is packing. You will definitely see less street crime. How often do you hear about pickpockets in Israel?
Also, GWS, bear in mind that I'm a big fan of cops setting up a locked car with a wallet on the dash with a police sniper across the street picking off the people trying to slimjim/break the windows - would be a great way to purge the thieves out of society. I'm not against what you are saying. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />
Even if you ban guns (or anything for that matter), I don't know how you stop the black market. How do you keep the guns out of the hands of criminals? If you have a record and are found in possession of a gun, you get life in prison? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />
