US Forces shot down Flight 93

[barnacle]

A lot of people died on that flight, lets not insult their memory by taking away their credit.

EXACTLY!

i think that concept is well beyond blakestah

Is it honoring their memory to give them credit for a fallacy? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

is it honoring their memory to make up unsubstantiated stories about their demise <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

 

[neinfore]

building steel can melt. check out the new documentary. It's so thoroughly explained that it's impossible to argue against it. They use the same steel that was in the WTC, and melted it using various fuels, including the same jet fuel that was on the plane, adding the same burning stuff that was in WTC etc.

and what did they do to demonstrate how to melt down titanium built rolls royce jet engines? funny how there wasn't a bit of them left, yet they found that one passport without even a scratch on it, yeah?

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peas,
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9'4''

 

[ratfink]

"...the US shot down Flight 93..."

which would have been the best protocol under the circumstances, better than having it dive into the whitehouse or anywhere urban.

All evidence points to that plane breaking apart in the air not on the ground by the size of the debris field.

I'm sorry lil' buddy, but what in Allah's name could possibly give you the idea that this single crater was caused by a plane that had multiple large peices falling to Earth?
None, the plane was intact.

 

[blakestah]

"...the US shot down Flight 93..."

which would have been the best protocol under the circumstances, better than having it dive into the whitehouse or anywhere urban.

All evidence points to that plane breaking apart in the air not on the ground by the size of the debris field.

I'm sorry lil' buddy, but what in Allah's name could possibly give you the idea that this single crater was caused by a plane that had multiple large peices falling to Earth?
None, the plane was intact.

I was not aware that planes make big craters when they crash.

Explosives do, though.

 

[super_aloha]

Come on, you think the administration would make this sh1t up to cover up the FACT that the US Air Force shot down Flight 93 and murdered 44 innocent people, mostly American citizens, as collateral damage?

Our government does not lie to us.

37 posts and counting and a few converts.
Well played <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

 

[Oakleys_N_Zinka]

Bin Laden's claim, as overheard by his driver, was paraphrased by the prosecuting attorney "If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome".

He apparently overheard Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri after 9-11, and they had intel that the US shot down Flight 93, and it was not a crash brought on by its passengers.

http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Was_Flight_93_shot_down_on_0723.html

Name names, asshole (more specific than "Bush and Cheney did it"). Fighter pilots who shot down 93, or explosives tech guys who blew up the WTC. The burden of proof is on you and you are failing.

 

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bomb on board

Pan Am Flight 103

 

[HopperNash]

Bin Laden's claim, as overheard by his driver, was paraphrased by the prosecuting attorney "If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome".

He apparently overheard Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri after 9-11, and they had intel that the US shot down Flight 93, and it was not a crash brought on by its passengers.

http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Was_Flight_93_shot_down_on_0723.html

like BL knew what was going in regards to 93. he was clueless. just because BL said that does not make it true. that's so silly even i get it.

You obviously forgot that Bin Laden was in cahoots with Bush to cause 9-11

Well hell, I guess it makes sense why we STILL HAVE NOT CAUGHT BIN LADEN YET, eh?

I mean, Tora Bora was the closest we came to “capturing” him, yet somehow he slipped away. It makes sense, the conspiracy, because we believe bin Laden is just across the border in Pakistan, where we can’t get to him. Funny though how Pakistan is a valued ally in Bush’s war on terror, yet they won’t send their forces anywhere near the border tribal lands to flush him out, nor will they let U.S. troops into their sovereign land to kill him.

How brilliant is that… the perfect get out of jail free card in exchange for being a scapegoat so Bush could go into Iraq and get Hussein.

What a wonderful world we live in.

It’s all clear to me now.


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[blakestah]

Bin Laden's claim, as overheard by his driver, was paraphrased by the prosecuting attorney "If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome".

He apparently overheard Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri after 9-11, and they had intel that the US shot down Flight 93, and it was not a crash brought on by its passengers.

http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Was_Flight_93_shot_down_on_0723.html

Name names, asshole (more specific than "Bush and Cheney did it"). Fighter pilots who shot down 93, or explosives tech guys who blew up the WTC. The burden of proof is on you and you are failing.

Now, I am not some kinda brain scientist or anything, but I think that when a plane crashes, and there is significant debris at three sites, Shanksville, Indian Lake, and New Baltimore, and those sites span 8 miles, that it is highly likely that debris was split up at a significant altitude, or that some explosives propelled the debris so far away.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12967.html

The mayor of Shanksville claimed that a Vietnam vet eyewitness recognized the sound of a missle prior to the explosion from his service in Nam. Phila Daily News 11/15/01

And to address other concerns, NOTHING will disgrace the dead from Flight 93 more than not uncovering the truth to be as certain as possible that this can never happen again. That is the proper way to honor the deceased.

But I believe our government, and Todd Beamer's heroism. Somehow the people on board must have broken pieces of the plane off at 10000 feet, perhaps opening the cargo doors, as part of the scuffle. And that rib-bone in Indian Lake probably didn't belong to one of the passengers. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />

BTW, New Baltimore and Indian Lake are 8 miles E/SE and 2 miles E/NE from the Shanksville site. The debris went 2, and 8, miles AHEAD of the flight path, so it could not have fallen from the plane prior to the crash. If it had, the debris would have been to the west.


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[chriscut]

Am I the only person who remembers the early news reports, right after flight 93 went down? They were saying that it was shot down by the US. I remember reading it online and saw the story on tv. A couple of hours later I went back to the same websites, but could not find any reports on any news site that spoke about the plane being shot down. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

 

[casa_mugrienta]

"...the US shot down Flight 93..."

which would have been the best protocol under the circumstances, better than having it dive into the whitehouse or anywhere urban.

All evidence points to that plane breaking apart in the air not on the ground by the size of the debris field.

I'm sorry lil' buddy, but what in Allah's name could possibly give you the idea that this single crater was caused by a plane that had multiple large peices falling to Earth?
None, the plane was intact.

I was not aware that planes make big craters when they crash.

Explosives do, though.

Was the debris cleaned up before or after this shot was taken?

 

[Haiku]

"...the US shot down Flight 93..."

which would have been the best protocol under the circumstances, better than having it dive into the whitehouse or anywhere urban.

All evidence points to that plane breaking apart in the air not on the ground by the size of the debris field.

I'm sorry lil' buddy, but what in Allah's name could possibly give you the idea that this single crater was caused by a plane that had multiple large peices falling to Earth?
None, the plane was intact.

I was not aware that planes make big craters when they crash.

Explosives do, though.

Was the debris cleaned up before or after this shot was taken?

Here are some pics of other plane crash sites...

...you notice anything different?

Just a small thing called
"angle of trajectory"
Straight down equals "boom!"

 

[nep]

...you notice anything different?

Yes. Never check my watch when exiting a burning aircraft.

 

[ratfink]

...you notice anything different?

Yes. Never check my watch when exiting a burning aircraft.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />Poor baztard, looks like he had one of those humungous G-Shock watches. Hell, that thing alone could have thrown the trim characteristics off.

 

[Landloct]

Is that Flava Flav, checking what time it is?

 

[BaliIdiot]

Thats a trick I don't think even David Copperfield can pull off.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> Does that mean it was Sigfried and Roy who attacked America? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />



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[nep]

Why do you hate smithereens so much?

The Smithereens were kind of a cool band in their time.

 

[JJR]

Not all objects create a crater when going straight into the ground. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/00000054.gif" alt="" />

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[blakestah]

"...the US shot down Flight 93..."

which would have been the best protocol under the circumstances, better than having it dive into the whitehouse or anywhere urban.

All evidence points to that plane breaking apart in the air not on the ground by the size of the debris field.

I'm sorry lil' buddy, but what in Allah's name could possibly give you the idea that this single crater was caused by a plane that had multiple large peices falling to Earth?
None, the plane was intact.

I was not aware that planes make big craters when they crash.

Explosives do, though.

Wow. Just wow. You can't possibly be so deluded that you don't realize an airliner impacting the ground would create a crater. Especially if it dove steeply into mother earth. Come on, get a grip.

According to eyewitnesses it was flying low, roughly 40 feet up, and upside down, as it came in. Then it was turning end over end, and then it fell.

So that crater is the supposed result of a fall from an altitude of roughly 40 feet.

More interesting are the observations that there was no wreckage that exceeded a couple feet long. And that there were parts of the plane MILES in front of the flight path.

The suggestion is that the plane was hit early, but non-fatally, and it was crashing of its own accord, before either it crashed in a way that the fuel turned into a bomb, or it was struck a second time.

The evidence from the 911 call that said the plane was hit in the air. Then the magnitude of the explosion and size of pieces of wreckage.

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a telling detail came minutes before the plane went down when dispatchers at the Westmoreland County Emergency Operations Center intercepted a frantic cell phone call made to 911 by a passenger aboard the doomed flight.

"We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" the man told dispatchers in a quivering voice during a conversation that lasted about one minute.

"We got the call about 9:58 this morning from a male passenger stating that he was locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93 traveling from Newark to San Francisco, and they were being hijacked," said Glenn Cramer, a 911 supervisor.

"We confirmed that with him several times and we asked him to repeat what he said. He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down. He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where.

"And then we lost contact with him."

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp