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True Ames R. Lovelace Keel vs. Piggyback
- Thread starter manbearpig
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185ish.Aruka said:
I got them for a twin fin fish and they were just too loose. They worked ok in waist high waves but in good waves it reminded me why quads and thrusters got so popular. So I traded them to Manbearpig for a set of WTCs (which I use for quad fronts).
The surf I had with the trailer was only a couple of waves but it was enough to grab them.
I’m going to try them in a quad Wizard Sleeve with nubsters for the rears.
Gave the Piggybacks a go as a twin in my CI h5ive in chest high waves with some
shape. Pretty squirrel dropping in and laying into the bottom turn. Given the width
of that tail I shoulda tossed in a trailer but opted to commit to just two out of curiousity.
Pretty fun once I could get the fins on the open face. Lots of drive and ample pivot for
tighter shreds.
Next Piggyback experience will entail riding them in my stretch 2win.
shape. Pretty squirrel dropping in and laying into the bottom turn. Given the width
of that tail I shoulda tossed in a trailer but opted to commit to just two out of curiousity.
Pretty fun once I could get the fins on the open face. Lots of drive and ample pivot for
tighter shreds.
Next Piggyback experience will entail riding them in my stretch 2win.
Had a few sessions in overhead point waves with the Piggyback keels and am really enjoying the feel of them in my 5'10" fish. 
Looser feel than the Rasta keels but still hold in enough.
Looser feel than the Rasta keels but still hold in enough.
Sounds like you have some coming to you, but if they don't work out you might want to give the CC keels a look also. They are my favorite from trying a long list of twin fin sets. They have worked really well in a few different boards.
I like the CC keels and the Piggybacks both as high-performance hybrid keels.
I tried the CCs in my Lovelace wills fish and it didn't quite feel right so I switched to the Piggybacks and it lit up. I don't know that would be the case in every fish I've ever owned.
In this case, the Piggybacks had more drive and were more maneuverable at the same time. This is the only fish I have atm so I can't comment on the Piggybacks generally
I tried the CCs in my Lovelace wills fish and it didn't quite feel right so I switched to the Piggybacks and it lit up. I don't know that would be the case in every fish I've ever owned.
In this case, the Piggybacks had more drive and were more maneuverable at the same time. This is the only fish I have atm so I can't comment on the Piggybacks generally
The pigs were meh in my Aipa twin. A little too tracky but waves were small and weak. Will try again at some point.
I think I remember reading a post from him that said he made them originally for the toe side on asym boards but they ended up working well in symmetrical setups also.
I think so, but I did see something somewhere where Ryan suggested that people bigger than Will might be happier with a bigger fin.
The piggybacks felt pretty good to me in shoulder high+ surf but I could use some more drive in smaller waves.
I'm a bit bigger than Will so am considering the Britt Merrick Twins but have on other boards recently so haven't gotten around to it.
Anybody have any experience with the BMT's?
there's a thread on the BMT's....I personally don't like them so far...they look and feel a bit big for me...I liked the piggybacks or even the NVS album uprights that I was running before
I had a similar experience, started with the piggybacks in the Will's fish. Nothing bad, but out of a whim I installed the Machado twins, and instantly the drive and speed was there. I have used these in small waves and up to shoulder high waves with no issue.
Tried the Piggybacks in my 6'4" twinzer and came away with the same impression.
When it's smaller and I want to let the board pivot more I found a set of Asher Pacey 5.59" twins (they come with a trailer in the fin set) worked well in the board pictured in my post above. Similar outline to the BMT's but smaller/less surface area. There's a slightly larger set which is 5.79" (if memory serves). They are from Shapers Aust.
Off menu Lovelace twins made from Unobtanium
Hard to say. I kind of doubt it otherwise they would probably say, highly recommend you use it with the piggybacks. I do think that fin profile and others like it just happen to compliment that shape and what it was intended to do.
Fins thst come with the FM model. High dollar custom carbons available though.
Drab Collab FM (small) Keels Carbon Composite — Ryan Lovelace Surf | Craft
5.5” tall, these keels sit between the Piggyback and my FM template in size - suitable for twin fin midlengths of all sizes, particularly sub 7’ FM’s (They will fit nicely with other twin fin midlengths given that the average fin placement is closer to the rail than the FM). Cold-molded carbon com
www.rlovelace.com
Update ... had originally tried the Piggybacks in my 6'4" twinzer with the RFC twinzer canards and thought they felt a little squirrely. Recently - have been running the board without the canards ... as a straight twin with the Future ENs. Decided to give the Piggybacks another try - also as a straight twin without the twinzer canards. Chest high surf - they felt much different in the board by themselves ... enough drive but looser than the ENs. Also - seemed to give the board a little more glide and felt easier catching waves. New swell coming this week ... looking to give them a go in HH-OH surf as well as a go in my 6'10" twin.