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I thought both Surf and Show episodes about the Hydroshort were epic. Great insight, loads of details, a range of waves, and just really great listening to the both of them going in-depth about the board. Really enjoyed it, and it's even pushing me to try my first Firewire in years. Good work, legends!

*Watched it whilst supping on a Chilean Merlot, brahs.
 

Mgc5151

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If anyone in Socal (91335) is looking for a like new 5’8 evo let me know - pics are in the classifieds
 

pademauge

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For those of you who have surfed an Evo, what type of waves do you think it works best in? Thanks.
Mine works in everything I put it in. Knee to double-overhead. I'm having a bit of a hard time to turn it in large waves where it goes crazy fast. Works on fat like hollow waves, although not my first choice if really hollow with a lip that throws. Handles late drops on OH+ waves like a champ. I would say ideal waves is chest to OH with any kind of power but crazy hollow. That being said, I find it very reassuring in large surf because it paddles, get into and take off so easy and forgiving. It's 2 liters over-volumed, though, and I will get another one 2 size down.
 
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oeste858

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Does XTR have a Hydroshort template with a swallowtail? Is this possible with the template/concaves?
Don't think XTR can modify the file they have like that, but worth a call to Shey to ask. I'm sure you could do it through Tomo's OZ-based custom program. Seen those swallowtails on his Instagram. Probably about same price as XTR too.
 
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Funny someone posted in this thread... I was going to post a question on Tomo Grovelers today.

With conditions being as small as they have been lately, what Tomo design would you say is best suited for Groveling or for small wave conditions? I've always reached for the Evo. Im sure JKB will swear by the GMM2. Any other suggestions on Tomo boards for small wave conditions?
 

deforestcooper

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Does XTR have a Hydroshort template with a swallowtail? Is this possible with the template/concaves?
I emailed Dan about this. The Hydroshort Swallow is available through his AUS custom program, but not through XTR. My customs from AUS was $890 USD. Shipping was supposed to be around $200 in addition.

Im ordering a custom soon, so if anyone lives in Cali and wants to split the shipping cost LMK.

XTR is now offering a Nano with the Quad Inside Single Concave ("QISC") channels. They also have a pointy nose SKX with a swallow tail. The also offer a SKX without the QISC as a swallow tail. I saw one at XTR and it has a nice single concave running through the middle of the board. Not sure if it has V out the tail but I found it super interesting that Tomo is experimenting on board without his trademark QISC.
 
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brainfqrt

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We offered a huge Nano 5'10 with the channels to a mate recently, it was the good sizing for him and he was enjoying it.
But recently he was with us on a trip and I borrowed the board to give it a go, and it was impressively good! Like hands down the best first wave I've had on a board for a while, even if it was roughly 10L over my usual volume. I could connect some decent turns in lackluster waves again and again. Good enough to get another mate to paddle from the next peak down the beach to check out what just happened.
So for small waves, go for it. I've been looking for a decent secondhand nano or cymatic since then.
 

Bman76

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His old Richter design with quad hatchet fins was insanely good as a grovellor. I've really got to get an evo for summer...
 

SD_Dan

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Funny someone posted in this thread... I was going to post a question on Tomo Grovelers today.

With conditions being as small as they have been lately, what Tomo design would you say is best suited for Groveling or for small wave conditions? I've always reached for the Evo. Im sure JKB will swear by the GMM2. Any other suggestions on Tomo boards for small wave conditions?
That's an interesting question. I have a had a few Evos in various sizes, and I've always thought of that board as more of a daily driver.

I think it all probably depends on the type of waves you surf though. In Hawaii, Fiji, or somewhere else with a lot of open ocean power, I think an Evo would be great as a groveler. Here in Southern California, I think the more flat rockered designs on offer from Matt Biolos or Dan Mann boards work best, especially when below waist high.
 
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oeste858

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It doesn't seem like Tomo is that interested in a board for tiny waves. I think the Evo works best when ridden as short as possible, so I think if you try to oversize it as grovel dims, there are better options out there. Apologies for repeating myself from other posts, but for sure, the Tomo-shaped GMM2 model (under the Hydrodynamica label) through XTR is your best bet... if you insist on a Tomo. You don't see many around, but it's a rectangular high-performance variation of a mini simmons planing hull- I consider it a groveler/cheater version of Evo. You can order it with his quad channel bottom- which I think helps with lift in weak waves. The speed of this design is pretty effortless. I can honestly be out on it when others are only on logs/midlengths/foamies and have a blast.

Also, the marketing for his "El Tomo" model (clearly based on his earlier V4) on XTR & his custom site describes it as for weak waves. I've been curious about this shape (especially as a quad), but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'm on quad fish variations (a Rusty & a Machado PU Seaside) in small waves these days.
 

jkb

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GMM2 for small waves all day long. So much better than the Evo, IMO.

The GMM2, surprisingly, is a really versatile board. The rocker is actually a little bit curvier than the Evo, but the straighter rail line, wider tail, and deeper concaves (flatter centerline rocker) of the GMM2 help it to grovel better. With the rail rocker being a little curvier, it can definitely do some high performance turns and can be ridden vertically when steeper sections pop up.

In flatter faced waves, I ride mine anywhere from knee high to head high. I'll still ride it when it's curvy, but chest high is about the limit when it's like that.
 
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deforestcooper

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Hmmm. Good info.
I've been riding a friends grovel board and having a lot of fun with it. Its a thick, wide board with a wing and swallow tail. Looks like an egg with a pulled in swallow tail and a wing. It floats extremely well and its super loose. I was getting some nice little turns in on some ankle high waves these past few days and got me thinking about Tomo boards as grovelers and none really came to mind other than the GMM2 and Evo. But i've heard people describe an evo as a board for good waves (like SD Dan said).

I have a small foot, so I was thinking about boards with a not-so-wide tail. Maybe a custom GMM2 is the way to go? @jkb would you think 18 or 18 1/8 is too skinny for a groveler?
 

jkb

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Hmmm. Good info.
I've been riding a friends grovel board and having a lot of fun with it. Its a thick, wide board with a wing and swallow tail. Looks like an egg with a pulled in swallow tail and a wing. It floats extremely well and its super loose. I was getting some nice little turns in on some ankle high waves these past few days and got me thinking about Tomo boards as grovelers and none really came to mind other than the GMM2 and Evo. But i've heard people describe an evo as a board for good waves (like SD Dan said).

I have a small foot, so I was thinking about boards with a not-so-wide tail. Maybe a custom GMM2 is the way to go? @jkb would you think 18 or 18 1/8 is too skinny for a groveler?
Not at all. My first GMM2 was 4'10 x 18. My new one is 5'1 x 18 1/2. For you, I would do something like 4'11 x 18 1/8 or 5'0 x 18 1/4.......whichever you're more comfortable with. Don't be afraid of the wide tail. It's very nimble on this design.

You just need to pull the trigger on one of these. It will be your go to board for Oceanside 95% of the time. You'll thank me later ;)
 

schex

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Thanks for the replies on the Hydroshort - weird that Javier/xtr - don't have the program for the swallow tail - I checked out the stock Hydroshort and it looks sweet but seems like it would be in the same slot as my Cymatic - which is a great board!! It got me off my Evo for the most part - when it's grovel time I opt for my Chumlee