This Guy is Good! Obama's Live on TV Press Jerk-athon

toreador

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gotta give the guy credit for being good at what he does; selling truckloads of crap for a premium (several trillion dollars, to be precise).

he is very articulate, and its hard to dislike him on a personal level. i think he is using the economic situation to permanently further establish socialist institutions, but i just can't get a read on the guy for some reason. he speaks a lot without really saying much in terms of direction...he's very, very non-committal across a range of issues - almost all.

its strange that so many liberals support him, when he's going to continue the wiretapping, continue the extraordinary renditions, increase and extend troop presence in afghanistan, continue with the bush economic policies, etc...

although i discount words and put a premium on actions, i do recognize the power and sway of words (particularly over those who fall for the cult of personality), and obama has the power in spades (er, half-spades...er, ummm...disregard).

btw, the lost decade in japan which obama said he was trying to avoid was caused by EXACTLY the same policies he's implementing in this bill!
 

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Articulate is an understatement when it comes to this guy. He's a well-rounded, charismatic speaker who draws even non-supporters in when he's communicating. That being said, I am extremely disapointed with this stimulas plan. It seems rushed, misguided and certainly temporary. I don't see anything that leads me to believe this type of spending can possibly result in any type of long-term gain for our country.

Too much "special interest," and not enough dollars going to projects that could sustain our country for more than a short period of time. This legislation should be chock full of programs that do not just create jobs, but ensure that those who fill those positions have a place to work for years to come.

I've fallen into the group that is not anti-Obama, or even pro-Obama at this point. I, like most Americans, are looking for someone to turn this country around. I'll make my judgement after there is a body of work to assess. Until then, I hope he can pull his act together. Between lousy nominations and now this lack luster plan that we are in dire need of I'm taking a step back, and hoping this man is what I cast my vote for.

His body of work so far is lack luster. But, hey, I was no Peter North my first week in the office. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wave2.gif" alt="" />
 

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the most disappointing thing, and you saw him stumbling more than at any point during the fake press conference over it, was his trying to falsely lay the blame for the economic situation on the banks over leveraging with risky loans (and presumably, derivatives) without mentioning the role that the gov't and the GSE's played in forcing those loans to be made.

the greatest moment, but wasted from my perspective, was when Major asked about biden's ridiculous "30% chance of failure" remark, and everyone joined in the laughter and ridicule led by obama himself at poor joe's expense!

man, that was classic beyond classic...even obama now recognizes and openly acknowledges that biden is a total boob.
 

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... I'll make my judgement after there is a body of work to assess. ...
And that is the difference between you and hallucinogenic toreador. congratulations.
 

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hallucinogenic_toreador,

I love reading these posts from you now, because the greedy b@st@rds you and others like you support, lost out so badly in the last election. Now, your little surfy hatemonger group's only say in what happens in the world is right here on this message board...

... and that just makes you harmless and entertaining.

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.

I don't think the stimulas bill is going to work. Is the laid off oaf that worked in the audio department of Circuit City who sold me the wrong cable supposed to help retrofit a bridge now?
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No, but hopefully bridge guys will be making enough money to buy a hamburger or two that will need flipping.

Face it folks, this country has been living on the illusion of wealth. We've coasted from bubble to bubble and we're gonna crash like a junkie out of dope.

Short term the government can stimulate spending but long term we need to be competitive in the world. I don't begrudge the money spent on education or infrastructure. We should have been reinvesting all along when cash flow was good now we have to borrow the money to do it.
 

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.
Exactly. It's as if all they are saying is "it won't work" since it'll get passed in some form anyway, and have their hand clean of it. Typical.

With that said, I agree with the notion that Obama needs to rein in that psycopath Pelosi asap.
 

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.

But nothing is better than Nancy Pelosi!

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.
Exactly. It's as if all they are saying is "it won't work" since it'll get passed in some form anyway, and have their hand clean of it. Typical.

With that said, I agree with the notion that Obama needs to rein in that psycopath Pelosi asap.

"I mean, you've got economists who were advising John McCain, economists who were advisers to George Bush — one and two — all suggesting that we actually needed a serious recovery package. And so, when I hear people just saying, oh, we don't need to do anything, this is a spending bill, not a stimulus bill — without acknowledging that by definition, part of any stimulus package would include spending — that's the point — then what I get a sense of is that there's some ideological blockage there that needs to be cleared up."
 

LAisntsobad

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McCain's plan: The timeless argument here seems to be does lowering taxes increase revenue and increase profits for corporations. I would actually be more inclined to go with this, if there were strict provisions or some type of tax levied against US corporations moving productions overseas.

I wish the left and right could come to the center at least on this very basic notion that if US companies make profits, it doesn't mean sh*t if they keep moving jobs overseas for more profits.


that is the root cause of the entire mess we find ourselves in.
No, the root cause is extremist lawmakers on both sides. The pendulum swings one way, then has to swing back waay over the other way and it continues every 4 or 8 yrs.
 

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.
TFAD...The Usual Liberal approach , talk out your ass like you know something...Substantiate your rhetoric... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
Yeah, I'm such a big liberal. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
McCain's plan was uninspired at best. If he had any game at all he could have rallied support for it. Like I said, he offered nothing.

Here is Ron Paul's take on it all:
 

speedo

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It is absolutely true that we can't depend on government alone to create jobs or economic growth. That is and must be the role of the private sector. But at this particular moment, with the private sector so weakened by this recession, the federal government is the only entity left with the resources to jolt our economy back into life. It is only government that can break the vicious cycle where lost jobs lead to people spending less money, which leads to even more layoffs. And breaking that cycle is exactly what the plan that's moving through Congress is designed to do.
 

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.
I believe that actually doing nothing would be better than passing this bill.
 

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What I found interesting about the process was that republicans and especially McCain offered nothing.
I believe that actually doing nothing would be better than passing this bill.
You may very well be right. Historically, the government has screwed up the economy way more than it has helped it. If this mind numbing (in terms of dollars spent) stimulus package fails to work, we are all screwed. And even if it does help, my guess is that the impact will be short term, and that the increased government debt will--in the long run_-make matters worse.
 

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It is absolutely true that we can't depend on government alone to create jobs or economic growth. That is and must be the role of the private sector. But at this particular moment, with the private sector so weakened by this recession, the federal government is the only entity left with the resources to jolt our economy back into life. It is only government that can break the vicious cycle where lost jobs lead to people spending less money, which leads to even more layoffs. And breaking that cycle is exactly what the plan that's moving through Congress is designed to do.
dude, the gov't has NO resources! only the private sector has resources. every dollar the gov't spends has to be either collected from the private sector, or borrowed from the private sector with interest.

for the same cost as this bill, we could have a total income and payroll tax holiday for every american for the next year. can you imagine what that amount of additional disposable income could do?!?!

this is a f*ckin' joke, except that its so f*ckin' expensive it ain't a joke.
 

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Sure, and then we'll talk about Afghanistan.
At least in Afghanistan we know who we are fighting. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> However, I think we should get out of there also. DT, you sound like you think Obama created this one. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
 

speedo

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Sure, and then we'll talk about Afghanistan.
At least in Afghanistan we know who we are fighting. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> However, I think we should get out of there also. DT, you sound like you think Obama created this one. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
With respect to Afghanistan, this is going to be a big challenge. I think because of the extraordinary work done by our troops, and some very good diplomatic work done by Ambassador Crocker in Iraq, we just saw an election in Iraq that went relatively peacefully. And you get a sense that the political system is now functioning in a meaningful way.

You do not see that yet in Afghanistan. They've got elections coming up, but effectively the national government seems very detached from what's going on in the surrounding community.

In addition, you've got the Taliban and al Qaeda operating in the FATA and these border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and what we haven't seen is the kind of concerted effort to root out those safe havens that would ultimately make our mission successful.

So we are undergoing a thorough-going review. Not only is General Petraeus now the head of CENTCOM conducting his own review, he's now working in concert with the special envoy that I've sent over, Richard Holbrooke, one of our top diplomats, to evaluate a regional approach. We are going to need more effective coordination of our military efforts with diplomatic efforts with development efforts with more effective coordination with our allies in order for us to be successful.

The bottom line, though -- and I just want to remember [sic] the American people, because this is going to be difficult -- is this is a situation in which a region served as the base to launch an attack that killed 3,000 Americans. And this past week, I met with families of those who were lost in 9/11 -- a reminder of the costs of allowing those safe havens to exist. My bottom line is that we cannot allow al Qaeda to operate. We cannot have those safe havens in that region. And we're going to have to work both smartly and effectively, but with consistency, in order to make sure that those safe havens don't exist. I do not have yet a timetable for how long that's going to take. What I know is, I'm not going to make -- I'm not going to allow al Qaeda or bin Laden to operate with impunity, planning attacks on the U.S. homeland.


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The bottom line, though -- and I just want to remember [sic] the American people, because this is going to be difficult -- is this is a situation in which a region served as the base to launch an attack that killed 3,000 Americans. And this past week, I met with families of those who were lost in 9/11 -- a reminder of the costs of allowing those safe havens to exist. My bottom line is that we cannot allow al Qaeda to operate. We cannot have those safe havens in that region. And we're going to have to work both smartly and effectively, but with consistency, in order to make sure that those safe havens don't exist. I do not have yet a timetable for how long that's going to take. What I know is, I'm not going to make -- I'm not going to allow al Qaeda or bin Laden to operate with impunity, planning attacks on the U.S. homeland.

I'm sorry to say but he sounds just like those before him in that paragraph.
Getting the fck out of the Middle East, not meddling in other people's business and stopping the lopsided support and arming in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict would stop giving Al Qaeda the reason to exist. Not to mention it would help our bank balance.

No terrorist organization got defeated by force. Ever.