Dude. I read Kon Tiki fifty years ago, or close thereto. It was a must read at the time. Still is.
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The takeback of Hawaiian lands?
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Dude. I read Kon Tiki fifty years ago, or close thereto. It was a must read at the time. Still is.
ha ha ha . And sorry mods, I am most likely guilty of consecutive posts. I sincerely apologize.
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I assume you would offer the same ho-hum shrug if the Chinese came knocking looking to be the bosses. "Oh well, everyone's been ruled by somebody. Maybe this will be fun!"
Please expand- I think you meant to say myth? I don't see how nearly every other patch of sand in the Pacific has had the flag of another country planted on it, so if it weren't for the US, why it would not have been another? Especially a chain of islands that is in the middle of the 2 most powerful continents in the world.
I haven't looked, but am assuming you are going hard in the paint on the autonomous zone in Seattle too?
Hawaii is a major strategic location.
Would some other world power forcibly take Hawaii if America wasn't here? There's no way to legitimately answer that question.
It could have remained fully independent with treaties (unlikely). It may have become a puppet state where some world power was really the defacto government. Doesn't really matter at this point since the U.S. is not leaving as long as the country exists.
Would some other world power forcibly take Hawaii if America wasn't here? There's no way to legitimately answer that question.
It could have remained fully independent with treaties (unlikely). It may have become a puppet state where some world power was really the defacto government. Doesn't really matter at this point since the U.S. is not leaving as long as the country exists.
I am Hawaiian but I also love being American. Easiest country to make good money and have all the freedoms you could need. If the military wasn't here, I wouldn't exist (dad came through on the way to Korea and moved here after Vietnam). My family benefitted tremendously from the military (retirement, annuities, commissary, health insurance, etc).
How things went down does evoke anger but at the same time it could have been worse and it would have been another country. As my Uncle Kazu says, "eh, at least we never had genocide, ah?"
How things went down does evoke anger but at the same time it could have been worse and it would have been another country. As my Uncle Kazu says, "eh, at least we never had genocide, ah?"
The subject of the annexation of Hawaii by the United States actually was considered years prior to the actual annexation. Kamehameha III, in 1854 entered into negotiations with representatives of the United States which resulted in a draft of treaty of annexation being drawn up. Based on his writings, the King strongly favored annexation.
Just a fun fact I like to present my Portuguese friends with. In 1893, the Annexation Club (a main factor in the "overthrow") included 1,218 Americans (22 % of the club), 1,022 Native Hawaiian (19%), 251 Englishman (5%), 2,261 Portuguese (41%), 69 Norwegian (1%), 351 Germans (6%), with 328 persons "unclassified". The Portuguese, not the Americans, were the largest group wanting overthrow and annexation. When I tell my Portuguese friends that they had more responsibility then the United States in the resulting history, so it is primarily their fault, it really sets them off
Just a fun fact I like to present my Portuguese friends with. In 1893, the Annexation Club (a main factor in the "overthrow") included 1,218 Americans (22 % of the club), 1,022 Native Hawaiian (19%), 251 Englishman (5%), 2,261 Portuguese (41%), 69 Norwegian (1%), 351 Germans (6%), with 328 persons "unclassified". The Portuguese, not the Americans, were the largest group wanting overthrow and annexation. When I tell my Portuguese friends that they had more responsibility then the United States in the resulting history, so it is primarily their fault, it really sets them off
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pretty much everything i know about Hawaii comes from Michener's Hawaii. to any Hawaiian who has read it, is it an accurate take?
I love the dry wit of the nords
it's a super fun read
there is this article that I read and have been unable to find after the fact
(maybe from outdoor magazine) that talked about the art of navigating
by way of the wave patterns....they figured out how to identify where land
was over tremendous distances based on the way that the waves wrapped,
distorted, and radiated back out across the sea....very nuanced and complex.
of course, this in addition to celestial navigation which is incredibly advanced
in and unto itself.
then consider the efficiency and effectiveness of the sailing outrigger....the
recognition of the need for genetic variation....the social structures that
they developed....the economies.
also, surfing!
Uhm yes. I do this for a living.
And even in the rare circumstances that the heirs sell out, why do you want to fück them out of their rightful inheritance?
You sound a bit bitter you couldn't take what was yours.
I made my first capital gain by buying some dirt, building a house, working every weekend for 15 years improving it so I could sell it. Now you want to steal 15 years of hard labor from me? Maybe a few less beers, nachos and football games, and you could have that beautiful house, with a beautiful wife, and you may ask yourself, how did I get here? Water flowing under....
Natives got fücked. U.S. govt should go back and honor every treaty they signed.
Why do you think that just because I'm offended by racist insults of any kind, that I would not realize injustice.
See, I would never argue with a Hawaiian who said his people got their land stolen at the point of a bayonet. I'd have no problem if they sued and won billions from the plantation owners.
My only problem is being told I have no soul, by someone I've never met, because of the color of my skin.
Don't let dogma get in the way of clear thinking.
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Your soul is your dignity, and your honor and your life's essence. No man has the right to say another man doesn't have one.
If you think there is no soul, then go tell the Hawaiians that Pele is dead and Mauna Loa should be covered in condos.
Yup! The (international sailors, not only haole's) wanted nookie and booze after there arduous crossing around The Horn. Tired and sunburnt, they were quarantined aboard there ships by the "local" humanitarian Caucausian contingent of Christian's who came to save the heathens of the Pacific. So now it was Portuguese, Spanish, Caucasoids, Dutch whatever sailors against the white christians. Coming ashore the sailors battled the local white & brown police officers, the white shop owners, and the white christians. And in the evening, they stormed the white christian church, trying to burn it to the ground after fueling themselves with the local grog made by the white owner of the local grog shop. And the local brownies, in an attempt to save the white christian church availed themselves, hurling upon the thatched roof trying to beat the flames down to save the white christian church ~ ✌
(Michener was long winded, descriptive)
Billy Mitchill, facing, holding the pole, Mervin Young, (HFD-retired) facing Billy.
PPK, top rt corner, about to fall through the thatched roof, onto foam pads)
1966. Makua Beach, West side of Oahu
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