While we're on the topic of orange/Cheeto, I tried 2 orange wines recently. One just tasted like a regular white (Gruner or Riesling) was white, and was pretty good, and the other could tell had aged way longer on the skins/seeds etc (super tannic, tasted like grape seeds) and was orange. Agree I'd recommend it to someone who like sour beers. I thought it was okay, probably something I wouldn't buy, but was more like the first time I tried a sour beer. Seems like it's the same thing as rose but made with white grapes and aged with seeds in addition to skins and for longer.