So a Patagonia 2mm is just as warm as 4/3??? Holy sh#t! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/computer.gif" alt="" />I'm alternating between an Oneill Psycho 2 4/3 and a Patagonia 2mm backzip (both comboed with 5mm boots and 1.5 mm gloves)in 48 degree water and not seeing much of a difference, except the price tags. But PATs lifetime warrantee is worth it. My Rip Curl was garbage this year MF elasto model.
+1 for the cell 4/3 and i'll add it's definitely the longest lasting suit i've had too (i've had two)Quiksilver Cell 3/2 Cell 6
Wow...Most comfortable and warmest wetsuit ever. Not bad for the price of 150 Dollars... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applause2.gif" alt="" /> Keep them coming quiksilver.
The new matuse i got yesterday has some silver coloured tape over the seams on the inside. Presumably this is the satin seal taping. I'll check under the arms tonight. I haven't had a matuse before so i can't compare the new suit to the older versions. I won't able to review this suit for a while as it is way too warm in SD for a full suit at the moment...i'm not sure if you're talking about the same area but on both my 07 and 08 matuse 3/2 there is a small tear right under the arm where the panels meet. its an area where on the inside of the suit it is just stitching, not welded seams. the stitching looks to be pulling apart. i've sent them in, had them repaired and both have come apart after one session. i've repaired it again myself and it seems to be holding up so far. still the best suits i've owned for fit and flexibility.
does anyone have the new 4/3/2 from matuse? one of the improvements is satin seal taping. i don't know what that is. maybe a dumb question but can anyone tell me as the website doesn't describe it. i'm assuming this is something new in place of welded seams <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />
I heard the patagonia suits have a lifetime guarantee. so that might solve your problem. I didn't get a patagonia as the wool put me off...Oneill:
VERY DISSAPOINTED. KNEES TURN INTO MUSH IN <1 YEAR.
I'm sure out in california where you wear one wetsuit for most of the year a single year warrenty is great but out here on the east coast, where, especially in jersey we go from trunking it in the summer to a full 6/4 hooded in the winter you only get a few months at each thickness. this means your one year calander warrenty expires after only 3 months of use... maybe 5 months for a 4/3.
1 year? your lucky. mine disintegrated (knees)in 5 sessions. had it repaired 4 times. still has a big hole in the kneeOneill:
VERY DISSAPOINTED. KNEES TURN INTO MUSH IN <1 YEAR.
Same. Switched to Boz- was a little leaky around the neck and flushed but warm as hell. A very strange combo of keeping me warm but leaky. Warm through a NJ winter. Still, through it all xcel seems to dominate the NE lineups. I'm not saying, I'm just saying..1 year? your lucky. mine disintegrated (knees)in 5 sessions. had it repaired 4 times. still has a big hole in the knee
never again <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cussing.gif" alt="" />
I know i'm quoting a post that's a bit dated (1/24/08 or something. )Hotline released the original "Phoenix" suit a little bit too early. The neck stitching is a common problem. In fact, all unsold Phoenix suits from surf shops were returned so they could resolve this problem.I have 3/2 Hotline phoenix. I got it back in November and so far I like it. The durability isn't what they are cracked up to be. The stitching around the neck entry (not a seam) started to come undone right away and it feels like it is starting to leak a bit in the butt.
That said, the material is super flexible. I tried on o'neils, quicksivlers, Xcels and a few others before getting this suit and by far it is the most comfortable. And it has kept me warm enough on those offshore 55 degree dawn patrol sessions. Not having any slick skin, thecold offshore winds can be a bit tough. And the wrist and ankles use the old rubber that seems to absorb the water. And there is no antiflushing rubber in those areas either like the other high end suits.
Overall, fit and comfort is a 10, durabililty would be an 8. Warmth I'd say is probably an 8 as well. I like it but I am concerned that it will be a leaky bastard by next winter. Time will tell.
The "PhoenixX" (two x's) is the solution. It's a great suit, with Hotline's legendary durability. They loosened up the cut in the calves & thighs a touch, put in a different material in the forearms, and fixed the stitching in the neck. They really shot themselves in the foot by releasing the first gen. "phoenix" before solving those problems.
So, if anyone out there has a "Phoenix" suit, take it back to your surf shop and see if they can contact Hotline for you to either fix it or get you a "PhoenixX." You'll know which one you have by the lettering on the cuff -- there is an extra "X" on the newer suits.
As for the Freebird, I haven't used one but have heard good things from those who have. It's a price-point suit, but totally taped and front zip. That's pretty damn nice.
I'm still a Hotline fan, but this new Matuse suit I have continues to blow me away. Amazing product, from my perspective. If they made a front zip Matuse, I'd be done. So far, so good. But I'm only one season in. We'll see about durability.