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The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.
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Libertarians are sulking man-babies who don't understand what living in a democratic society means.
It used to be that all the pot heads were libertarians or claimed to be. Now the pendulum has swung the other way I suppose.
No, I am not confused. My question has nothing to do with the comparison of anarchy and libertarianism. I posit that this question is above your intelligence, but your welcome to give it a stab...GromsDad said:
You state that there are still laws, but limited in scope. Who decides where the laws are limited? This is the same question I asked Ifallalot.
That’s highly debatable. Especially considering our current government structure, along with the laws and amendments made to cater to the people, has been best for everyone historically.ifallalot said:
Uh no.ifallalot said:
It obviously doesn't work for everyone.
Letting crazy people buy guns legally doesn't work for everyone.
Dehumanizing transexuals doesn't work for transexuals.
Telling women what to do with their bodies doesn't work for women.
Etcetc
Libertarianism works only for white, straight males who love guns, don't want to pay taxes and don't give a sh!t about anything or anyone.
I think being a libertarian is like being a Christian.
You make things easy by keeping things simple.
You make things easy by keeping things simple.
A representative government, bound by a constitution - that sounds familiar. How is that any different then our current representative government, bound by our current constitution?ifallalot said:
ifallalot said:Pet causes?FecalFace said:ifallalot said:
Pet causes and legalized inequality.
You obviously have ZERO idea what libertarianism is
That's somebody's life you fvcking moron.
How does libertarianism stop these extra laws, spending and bureaucracy? Going back to my original question... Who says what laws are extra, what to not spend money on and what bureaucracy to eliminate?ifallalot said:
if you view the forces being exerted for and against laws in market terms, and you assume
two things:
1. that we seek to maximize freedom without unduly infringing on the common good
2. that we started from a point of a minimal/weak legal framework
you could say that our current legal regime, which has been built up incrementally over time
as our country has developed is the optimal balance of libertarianism and collectivism*
(not sure if collectivism is the most accurate term for the intended counterpoint)
freedoms ebb and flow as cultural mores shift and we learn from experience.
marijuana, maybe not so bad after all!
trigger-locks, great idea!
Exactly... We've gotten to our current situation through utilitarianism (greater good, public will, whatever you want to call it). What is different in a libertarian society? Is there no sense of utilitarianism? If not, who decides which laws are just or unjust?afoaf said:
It seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, that most libertarians want to make that decision for themselves. If so, how can a cohesive society exist?
To me, libertarianism is a utopian dream -- much like communism or anarchy; it looks great in theory, but would never work in the real world. The real world is filled with flawed human beings.
This is where the philosophy of keeping a small government comes in. There needs to be a general end to the "there oughtta be a law" mindset as well as taking advantage of our system and having the localized government govern more than the Federal government.DerDer said: