Sugar

[One-Off]

Came up in the heart health thread.

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You'll Stop Worrying About Sugar After Reading This Article - Legion Athletics

Sugar is one of the most feared and demonized substances you can eat...but it's not nearly as bad as many people say. No, it's really not. And here's why...

legionathletics.com

ps I realize this guy is selling something, but does what he say have merit?

 

[enframed]

It's more complicated than that.

1) Not everyone's body reacts the same way to the same foods. So this could mean that even though we "process the sugars the same way" the end result might be different in our appearance and overall fitness.
A) I believe Ayurveda has some merits. There are different body types and some bodies do things well and other bodies other things.
2) The ways our bodies react to food change over time. (I can no longer eat falafel, if I do I become Shoresy)
3) There is a thing, I forget the term, but basically sugars in an apple and a Snickers might be the same, chemically, however, the apple has other things that work together with the sugars to help our bodies process the sugar more effectively. Kind of like a symbiosis/work in tandem thing...there's a word for it but it escapes me.

 

[Mike_Jones]

3) There is a thing, I forget the term, but basically sugars in an apple and a Snickers might be the same, chemically, however, the apple has other things that work together with the sugars to help our bodies process the sugar more effectively. Kind of like a symbiosis/work in tandem thing...there's a word for it but it escapes me.

They're called antioxidants, and they don't help process fructose. Oxidants are bleaches, and antioxidants attempt to mitigate the bleaching and burniing of tissue.

Fructose has many drawbacks as a carbohydrate. Fructose degrades mitochondrial processing in the Krebs energy cycle. A mammal cell's primary antioxidant is the superoxide dismutase produced by the Krebs cycle. Fructose degrades production of SOD, and thereby promotes tissue bleaching and burning. You can see the results in greying 40-somethings and 50-somethings. You can guess what's happening in the rest of their bodies.

Bottom line. If you insist on gorging on fructose then you require the antioxidants in fruit.

 

[PRCD]

Came up in the heart health thread.

Discuss-

You'll Stop Worrying About Sugar After Reading This Article - Legion Athletics

Sugar is one of the most feared and demonized substances you can eat...but it's not nearly as bad as many people say. No, it's really not. And here's why...

legionathletics.com

ps I realize this guy is selling something, but does what he say have merit?

To a first order, he's right - sugar and HFCS is processed just like everything else. Here's the problem

In this study, researchers from The Sugar Bureau in the UK set out to determine if there should be a guideline for daily sugar consumption. They found that increased sugar intake was associated with leanness, not obesity, and concluded that there simply wasn’t enough evidence to warrant a quantitative guideline for sugar consumption.
This study, conducted by researchers at the University of Hawaii, is an extensive review of sugar-related literature. Here’s a quote from the paper:

“It is important to state at the outset that there is no direct connection between added sugars intake and obesity unless excessive consumption of sugar-containing beverages and foods leads to energy imbalance and the resultant weight gain.”

Overconsumption and energy imbalance are the keys here.

While it's technically true that the energy balance is the key, it's also true that it's much easier to consume too many calories when you eat processed foods like chips and drink sodas because they don't make you feel full. In fact, they usually make you feel hungrier. You're much better off eating two medium-sized potatoes than drinking a 500 ml of soda Every dietitian will tell you this. These studies tend to be sponsored by agribusinesses and government agencies tend to have revolving doors with industry.

In addition to the first order effects of processed foods like sugar - eating too much - there are the effects on gut and mouth biome that are just being discovered as alluded to in the article I posted yesterday. Different types of foods doubtless cultivate different gut bacteria. Sugar is just plain bad for your teeth. There is an oral microbiome that affects whether you get cavities:

The Oral Microbiome & Its Impact on Every Other System in the Body

Health begins in the mouth—specifically, with the oral microbiome. We cover the science behind how the mouth’s biome is the gateway to health everywhere else.

askthedentist.com

We know very little about this. Rather than conduct more dumb studies confirming that eating too much of anything is bad, we should study our modern diet's effect on our gut and oral biomes and gut/brain axis.

 

[One-Off]

Just like with fat, it gets too complicated. I guess "everything in moderation" is the easiest rule to follow. I'm lucky my wife is Italian and insists on cooking. Mediterrenean diet. Also, BMI becomes the easiest measure of overall health.

Your wife is a dietitian. What does she counsel for people who like sweets?

 

[PRCD]

Just like with fat, it gets too complicated. I guess "everything in moderation" is the easiest rule to follow. I'm lucky my wife is Italian and insists on cooking. Mediterrenean diet. Also, BMI becomes the easiest measure of overall health.

Your wife is a dietitian. What does she counsel for people who like sweets?

Eat more fruits and vegetables. Don’t buy chips and soda. Don’t eat out. Cook.

Most people are eating out a lot and buying a lot of snacks.

 

[One-Off]

Eat more fruits and vegetables. Don’t buy chips and soda. Don’t eat out. Cook.

Most people are eating out a lot and buying a lot of snacks.

Fruit is always at hand in our house. I do eat chips (unsalted) and usually with fresh guacamole and salsa. No soda. Fruit juice mixed with soda water for my daughter. Non alcoholic beer or red wine for me. Eat out once a week, usually at our favorite seafood place which means fish tacos which are basically a salad with some fish underneath.

When we travel, especially if we're in, say Utah or Arizona, then I'm eating big steaks. T bones.

 

[estreet]

Came up in the heart health thread.

Discuss-

You'll Stop Worrying About Sugar After Reading This Article - Legion Athletics

Sugar is one of the most feared and demonized substances you can eat...but it's not nearly as bad as many people say. No, it's really not. And here's why...

legionathletics.com

ps I realize this guy is selling something, but does what he say have merit?

No, but if it makes you feel better about eating badly then I guess it has some value.

 

[One-Off]

No, but if it makes you feel better about eating badly then I guess it has some value.

No? Why not?

 

[PRCD]

Fruit is always at hand in our house. I do eat chips (unsalted) and usually with fresh guacamole and salsa. No soda. Fruit juice mixed with soda water for my daughter. Non alcoholic beer or red wine for me. Eat out once a week, usually at our favorite seafood place which means fish tacos which are basically a salad with some fish underneath.

When we travel, especially if we're in, say Utah or Arizona, then I'm eating big steaks. T bones.

The issue with restaurants isn't the quality of food buy the quantity and calorie density. The restaurant isn't going to send you away hungry and the customer wants good-tasting food. This means giving the customer plenty of food cooked with sugar and butter. Often you're getting 1500 calories in a single meal which is most of what a sedentary American needs in a day.

 

[One-Off]

The issue with restaurants isn't the quality of food buy the quantity and calorie density. The restaurant isn't going to send you away hungry and the customer wants good-tasting food. This means giving the customer plenty of food cooked with sugar and butter. Often you're getting 1500 calories in a single meal which is most of what a sedentary American needs in a day.

1500 is a 13 mile run.

 

[enframed]

Calorie density probably is the biggest culprit when it comes to eating out.

Butter is not a problem, and most restaurants that aren't French (or IHOP) use very little of it.

Italian restaurants (good ones) often don't have butter at all, but rather only olive oil.

Most of what people eat out (in California anyway and that isn't Mexican ore breakfast food) is pizza, which nearly always has no fat added to the dough. They are however full of gluten, and cheese. There's probably no bread around that has more gluten than pizza dough.

As far as eating out, I eat street tacos at least once a week. I find that corn tortillas work their way through me better than flour and keep me more trim.

 

[Random Guy]

Calorie density probably is the biggest culprit when it comes to eating out.

Butter is not a problem, and most restaurants that aren't French (or IHOP) use very little of it.

Italian restaurants (good ones) often don't have butter at all, but rather only olive oil.

Most of what people eat out (in California anyway and that isn't Mexican ore breakfast food) is pizza, which nearly always has no fat added to the dough. They are however full of gluten, and cheese. There's probably no bread around that has more gluten than pizza dough.

As far as eating out, I eat street tacos at least once a week. I find that corn tortillas work their way through me better than flour and keep me more trim.

Jeez, in California people eat a lot of what you consider pizza?
why bother?
California pizza is fowl

portion size is a big problem when eating out
except those bougie places that give you a small amount of pretty food
when I get home after one of those dinners, I usually eat a bag of chips or something

 

[enframed]

Jeez, in California people eat a lot of what you consider pizza?
why bother?
California pizza is fowl

Well, I'm in LA now, and there plenty of great NY and Napoli style pizza. Italian has got to be the number one dine-in cuisine in LA right now. So yeah, people are eating a lot of it. Of course, being LA, these meals could very easily be followed by:

-laxatives
-barfing
-teeth whitening
-liposuction
-exercise
-some combination of the above.

 

[estreet]

Sugar bad.

 

[averagejoe]

Just like with fat, it gets too complicated. I guess "everything in moderation" is the easiest rule to follow. I'm lucky my wife is Italian and insists on cooking. Mediterrenean diet. Also, BMI becomes the easiest measure of overall health.

Your wife is a dietitian. What does she counsel for people who like sweets?

BMI isn’t a great indicator for people who lift weights

 

[One-Off]

Well, I'm in LA now, and there plenty of great NY and Napoli style pizza. Italian has got to be the number one dine-in cuisine in LA right now. So yeah, people are eating a lot of it. Of course, being LA, these meals could very easily be followed by:

-laxatives
-barfing
-teeth whitening
-liposuction
-exercise
-some combination of the above.

My wife is Italian and we almost never eat at Italian restaurants. The ones that would meet her standards do not match our pocket books. Also, a lot of Italian recipes have bechamel sauce hidden in them, which is butter.

Do you have a recommendation in LA (Westside or South Bay) for a good Napoli style pizzeria? Again my wife is really picky. Won't touch American pizza unless desparate. We finally found one in Marina Del Rey that was run by a Napoiitano D.O.C. Then he returned to Italy.

 

[SurfFuerteventura]

If you're worried about too much sugar intake, try just drinking water, or blended fruit smoothies, for a long while... most people worry too much about food, and not enough about the huge amounts of sugar found in drinks.

57 yo, 69 kilos, 22 bmi, 19% body fat.... after only drinking water, and blended fruit smoothies, for the last several years.

Sugar, cholesterol, etc... all blood work 100% within 'normal' ranges.

Absolutely ZERO pharmaceuticals.

 

[enframed]

My wife is Italian and we almost never eat at Italian restaurants. The ones that would meet her standards do not match our pocket books. Also, a lot of Italian recipes have bechamel sauce hidden in them, which is butter.

Do you have a recommendation in LA (Westside or South Bay) for a good Napoli style pizzeria? Again my wife is really picky. Won't touch American pizza unless desparate. We finally found one in Marina Del Rey that was run by a Napoiitano D.O.C. Then he returned to Italy.

I wouldn't eat any "creamy" sauce at an Italian restaurant. That's not Italian AFAIK, it's Italian-American (Alfredo is not Italian). Cacio e Pepe *may* have some butter, but that's about it. Or maybe truffle-butter (not that kind you sickos) with ravioli or agnolotti.

Not sure how far east you are willing to go but off the top of my head, westside-ish:

*Pizzana (Brentwood)
*Milo & Olive (Santa Monica)
*Double Zero (Venice)
Eataly (Century City)
Jon & Vinny's (Brentwood)
North Italia (Santa Monica)
*Roberta's (Culver City)
Felix (Venice/SM)
*Nerano (Beverly Hills)

*=Favorites

If you get to Hollywood ever, L'Antica Pizzeria Da Michele is the best pizza in LA, IMHO. The owners are from Naples area. It's fucking great.

Don't now anything about Italian in South Bay, sorry.

 

[sussle]

Just like with fat, it gets too complicated. I guess "everything in moderation" is the easiest rule to follow. I'm lucky my wife is Italian and insists on cooking. Mediterrenean diet. Also, BMI becomes the easiest measure of overall health.

Your wife is a dietitian. What does she counsel for people who like sweets?

I am extremely skeptical of BMI results as an indicator of health because it doesn't distinguish heavier muscle tissue from lighter fat tissue. I'm 5'9", 167 - according to BMI, I'm borderline overweight. In reality, I have a 32 inch waistline and a fair amount of muscle for my age, and very little extra on my frame. If I'm oversimplifying this, someone please enlighten me.