So, If Obama Is Successful In Bankrupting the System....

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that's exactly what taxes are, by definition; a confiscation of earnings!!!
Glad that you don't mind your insurance and mortgage companies "confiscating" your earnings every month. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

You are paying for a service dumbo. If you don't like it, buy a deserted island and live on your own. See how well off you'd be without the society you so hate to contribute back to. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/00000054.gif" alt="" />
wow, some people really should learn about the principles this country was founded upon.

last i checked, my insurance and mortgage companies entered into a specific contract with me, and will not render services unless i willingly pay what i have agreed to pay, and obviously, that's reasonable to me!

i don't think my insurance company or mortgage company will send jack-booted thugs to take away my freedom, or kill me if i resist, if i refuse to pay them. they'll just cancel my policy and repossess their security in the loan contract!

it is fundamentally a crime (whether its been 'legalized' or not) for the gov't to take money from peter in order to pay paul, which is exactly what the federal government is doing.

when money is taken from one individual by the government, and transfered to another, whether its in cash or in-kind services, for the benefit of that specific individual, and not for the common use (like parks, police, roads, infrastructure, etc.), then that's just stealing for political power.

this is a fundamental violation of the contract between the individual and the state in a free society!

when robbing peter to pay paul, you can always count on paul's support!

i have NO problem paying taxes for common use and services, but it is criminal what's occurring now.

btw, don't steal, the gov't hates competition!
 

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again, good luck finding funding if you are an individual with dreams about maximizing your talents and ambitions.
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Lots of businesses have become successful w/o wall st money.
Granted it's hard to build a WALL ST type business w/o wall
st money and it takes longer but that is part of the
problem. WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE WALL ST TYPE BUSINESSES.
Or very few for that matter. Americans need to start
producing things again. Not making money off of money.

Stop pushing the panic button, nancy.
 

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again, good luck finding funding if you are an individual with dreams about maximizing your talents and ambitions.
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Lots of businesses have become successful w/o wall st money.
Granted it's hard to build a WALL ST type business w/o wall
st money and it takes longer but that is part of the
problem. WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE WALL ST TYPE BUSINESSES.
Or very few for that matter. Americans need to start
producing things again. Not making money off of money.

Stop pushing the panic button, nancy.
what the hell are you talking about?

where do you think your local bank, or lending institution, or credit union gets the cash to loan to local busninesses for expansions, credit line increases, new capital, to add new jobs, etc.!?!?

at a time when we need private capital pools more than ever, the people who are able to contribute the most to their formation are not so willing to contribute, whether that's in direct capital ventures, bank CD's, savings accounts, or other investment vehicles, because their is NO HOPE for them coming out of washington right now!!!

this effect lowers GDP, lowers tax returns to the gov't, which lowers projections, which makes politicians want to increase taxes to cover their over-extended social programs which feel further strain from the economic downturn, and it becomes a very difficult cycle to get out of.

reduce capital gains taxes dramatically, and our economy will take off, and that's good for everyone, but it doesn't fit into the democrat demagoguery of class warfare.

poor people aren't hiring anyone!
 

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what the hell are you talking about?

where do you think your local bank, or lending institution, or credit union gets the cash to loan to local busninesses for expansions, credit line increases, new capital, to add new jobs, etc.!?!?
My local credit union is still lending money. But they
didn't buy derivatives either.

And I just started a local business as well. So all your
doom and gloom horseshit is just that. Horseshit.

All pyramid shams come to a close eventually. Then the
whining, crying, pissing and moaning begins.

Sack up, creme puff.

Looks like DT is about due for another round of ****
guzzling...
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what the hell are you talking about?

where do you think your local bank, or lending institution, or credit union gets the cash to loan to local busninesses for expansions, credit line increases, new capital, to add new jobs, etc.!?!?
My local credit union is still lending money. But they
didn't buy derivatives either.

And I just started a local business as well. So all your
doom and gloom horseshit is just that. Horseshit.

All pyramid shams come to a close eventually. Then the
whining, crying, pissing and moaning begins.

Sack up, creme puff.

Looks like DT is about due for another round of ****
guzzling...
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It must be The End, because I just agreed with you. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
 

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My local credit union is still lending money. But they
didn't buy derivatives either.
Credit Unions are basically private money. Credit Unions are the safe havens at the moment but if they devalue the dollar all bets are off. Lets pray is doesn't get that far.

If you have some extra time today. Take a listen to the audio article discussing natural money. Very interesting perspective.

The case for natural money
 

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Apr 1, 2006
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what the hell are you talking about?

where do you think your local bank, or lending institution, or credit union gets the cash to loan to local busninesses for expansions, credit line increases, new capital, to add new jobs, etc.!?!?
My local credit union is still lending money. But they
didn't buy derivatives either.

And I just started a local business as well. So all your
doom and gloom horseshit is just that. Horseshit.

All pyramid shams come to a close eventually. Then the
whining, crying, pissing and moaning begins.

Sack up, creme puff.

Looks like DT is about due for another round of ****
guzzling...
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dude, you are ignoring what's really going on. yeah, sure, my credit union is totally solvent, too, but that's got nothing to do with the larger picture of current events.

you can't be this dense.

do you support the social security, medicare and medicaid new deal type pyramid schemes?

do you support the $7 trillion socialized (rationed) healthcare plan obama is floating?

i'm glad both your business and fecalface's businesses are doing well, but to act like this is the exception and not the rule is just ignoring the man behind the curtain!
 

Norm'

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"why is it so difficult for you to understand that most people work for the very people you want to tax more, which is just going to eliminate jobs, stifle job creation, and reduce business investment for existing businesses and for start-ups?"


Because it just doesn't make sense. Employers don't hire someone, just because they have the money to do it, they hire because they have a position that needs to be filled. They hire new people because they're growing, and they grow because people are spending money on what they offer. If what they offer is something that only people making $250,000+ per year use, then yes, taxing that group might effect their hiring. If what they offer is something that those making less and more than $250,000/year, use, then no, the tax alone shouldn't effect their hiring.
OK Norm, where do these people get the money to invest in growth if they have to send it to Obama?
Yes, they send it to Obama, all of it. He keeps it in his desk <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />

Let's worry about keeping jobs and the worry about creating more.
 

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My credit union is giving out 25 FREE hundred dollar bills today to the first 40 billion people that show up.

They are telling them to use it for toilet paper because it's pretty much worthless anyway <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />