Yeah all three of them.so black Trump voters are technically black. I don’t think this is going to help.
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So.....can we get to the bottom of this? Is Joe Biden a racist?
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White folks vote against their own interests in much larger numbers.
I love people but most of them are stupid and misinformed and before you start with xenophobic bullshit, it's not just the Americans.
It's just that this recent streak of ignorance and hatred fueled by YouTube conspiracies and Facebook memes, where the press is the enemy of the people, is particularly bad in this country.
So yeah, I don't think they're are capable of deciding what's in their best interest
Otherwise Trump wouldn't have been a president.
There are not enough millionaires in this country to elect him.
Do you really think that an average voter benefits from Trumps presidency in any way?
100% Feelz
Finding someone else to blame for their shortcomings is the name of the game.
That's how false prophets get elected.
But I love people, even the stupid ones.
I have more dislike for smart people who think like you.
So yeah, I don't think they're are capable of deciding what's in their best interest
Yeah, I already knew the answer to my question when I "asked" it.
I obviously look at it differently. I don't believe in there being one version of "best interests". I believe what's in a groups best interests is always identified by the group themselves and are specific to their circumstance. I look at all the governments around the world and see that almost all of them are functional. And more significantly, that what is successful for one society will not work in others. Meaning, there is obviously more than one "best" solution.
This is why our attempts to impose our versions of democracy on peoples who don't have the cultural values it takes to make democracy work will always fail. And backfire. We must stop doing that. No people can be "given" democracy or the rule of law; they must all take if for themselves or otherwise find their own solutions.
Which brings us to our system of one man-one vote (until we get to multiple votes by mail). If you believe in the people deciding their own priotities then it stands that we deserve the govt we vote for. It's when you think that we-the-people should invariably defer to the intellectual aristocracy to make our decisions for us that the situation devolves into the shtholes our forebears fled. Our people are no different than any other people in that regard - we can't be "given" the perfect solution - we have to take it for ourselves or else it won't work. You can't govern a people who refuse to be governed.
IMO, if Biden wins the election then that's the way we should go. Full stop. Not because he's necessarily that special someone who can or will solve our problems for us, but because in our society the State is supposed to be responsive to the majority.
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I thought you hated collectivism?
I'm glad you came around.
There's no objective interest for an average American working folks to vote for Trump, none.
It's enough to look at what people voted for: the Wall, hate for Mexican immigrants, Muslim ban, repeal the Obamacare, "fück your feelings", Obama is coming to take your guns, bringing back coal and steel jobs.... They're all emotional issues or lies with zero pragmatic interest for average people or even based in reality for that matter.
I never said that one system fits all.
First, there's no "one man - one vote", that's a lie.
Also, I don't know if you've heard but women are allowed to vote nowadays, I know, it's criminal.
Nobody said that we should let "intellectual aristocracy", a.k.a. the smart people, make decisions for us and Trump is a proof that that's not the case.
The problem is, and it's a very American problem currently, that you can't have a true democracy in a country where opinions matter as much as facts and where the press is made to be an the enemy of the people, while the narcissistic billionaire who's never worked a day in his life, is made out to be friend and savior for the working people.
No, your ignorance is not as good as someone's knowledge.
Again, stating the common knowledge that nobody disputes and presenting it as an argument, why? More mischaracterization.
Whether Biden gets elected or Trump is not important.
What's important is whether the electorate is informed and armed with facts when they go to the voting booth and not whipped into a hate frenzy by candidates who think that democratic election is a football game.
Also, internet media trolls who make a living from it, peddling confirmation bias to the ignorant for money and telling them to turn their back on truth and listen to their emotions instead.
That's why we have the choice between an insanely stupid narcissistic psychopath and a senile status quo candidate who has nothing to offer but more of the same bullshit we've had for the past 30 years.
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I thought you hated collectivism?
I think a macro dose of collectivism beyond what it takes to provide an infrastructure and provide for a defense against criminals and our global opposition is untenable in America. If other societies are willing to make the compromises it takes to make socialism work for them that's great - for them. I don't begrudge them that. I just don't aspire to it for America.Dumb and lazy people need big government. That's one reason I'd prefer to see merit-based immigration and why you need more stupid people.
I can live in a world where Americans routinely disagree with each other without melting down. You can't. You need concepts like wrongthink and thoughtcrime and hate speech to justify the authoritarianism - whether social or legal in form - that it takes to make collectivism work. I don't.
Holy sh!t that’s a lot of lies and assumptions, with a healthy dose of bigotry added. Nice!
Do you even know what ‘macro’ means?
Reminder, California voted for Bernie in the primaries.
What if America decides one day that it wants “socialism”? Even if the only people who call it socialism are the ignorant dumbfucks. What then?
And one more time, I’m fine with disagreement.
I’m not fine with xenophobic fucktards.
Hating immigrants is not an opinion worthy of agreement or disagreement, except maybe on whatever far right wing incel subreddit you’re a member of. Which is where you learned about Chads and Beckys.
More wishful thinking on your part. I've never patronized Reddit. Or Twitter. Or 4-Chan. Or even Insta. I've clicked in off a link a few times but I've never spent any time or any of these.
The sht has gone mainstream. So prevalent that you can't avoid it, which is the same reason everyone else here knows what the sht means.
The sht has gone mainstream. So prevalent that you can't avoid it, which is the same reason everyone else here knows what the sht means.
Fecalbetty knows what’s best for people more than they know for themselves
Joe Biden’s ‘you ain’t black’ hole just gets deeper
Democratic strategist Joel Payne was left ‘embarrassed’ after a Sunday news hit in which he insinuated black Trump supporters were merely stock models
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You are way more gullible if you think that they do know wtf is going on.Fecalbetty knows what’s best for people more than they know for themselves
There are way more GromsDadas and Bohters out there than people who are able to parse the facts from emotional YouTube blabbering that's confirming their biases.
And I don't know where either of you got this notion that "I know what's best for people".
I've never said such thing.
All I said is that ignorance and misinformation is prevalent now more than ever, which sucks for the democracy.
I'm still waiting for somebody to explain how do minorities or average working Americans benefit from voting for Trump.
Other than emotional benefit, there's none.
Right, you must have learned about "Chads" and cucks in your Bible study group.
I had to google what a Chad is.
I'm not like you. My participation here isn't dependent on telling lies about myself or others in order to make a point that the truth won't support.
If you found out something that you didn't know by Googling it instead of participating in it then that means those outside sources - of which you weren't previously aware - have existed all along.
If you found out something that you didn't know by Googling it instead of participating in it then that means those outside sources - of which you weren't previously aware - have existed all along.
